From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Fri Aug 20 2004 - 17:28:29 BST
Good morning....Mark,
msh:
> No. The point is a simple question:
> Are your beliefs rational, or not?
mel:
Good point! You may have just cleaned
some of the bugs off my mental wind-
shield.
It seems that by definition a belief is
not a rational thing, (part'l def: A habit
of placing trust in something or faith),
it is less than knowledge.
While it may be possible to state a
belief in a logical structure, a belief
is an inferior form of reasoning.
The ability to launch beyond the state
of language based understanding, into
the paradoxical, the subtle or internal
meaning is not constrained by the
rational.
As RMP pointed out the madman or
the saint look the same from a certain
point of view.
...Which made a connection in my head,
accompanied by smoke and sparks as
something shorted, which might be
interesting to explore, pertinent to MoQ.
From a linguistics class: The Hopi language
has as its primary significant distinction not
temporal tense (past, present, or future), but
rather a split between manifest and manifesting.
Manifest is the state of being here, now and
empirical.
Manifesting is the state of not being here now.
It places those things not yet existing, those
things elsewhere, and the imaginary as all of
a kind.
This, when you take some time to consider it
gives a very different set of "reality filters" than
an indo-european language. SOM would be
a very foreign structure in a language so based.
No wonder we looked so incomprehensible to
some of the far-west/southwest peoples.
To get to the point, a diistinction of manifest and
manifesting is not terribly unlike either a zennish
being/non-being or a SQ-DQ in flavor. But to any
discussion re existence of a god, the god will
always be manifesting, rather than manifest.
So, to them god(s) are real, but they don't exist.
Their reality is in non-being or manifesting.
So it would make sense in Hopi, but not in English
to say that there is a God, but he doesn't exist.
So, the belief in god seems highly unrational...
...might be an interesting notion to play with.
thanks--mel
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trivia:::::
Purportedly, when the theory of realtivity was
first translated into or related in Hopi, the reaction
was something akin to "OK, that's obvious, so what?"
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