From: Ilya Korobkov (korobkov_ilya@mail.ru)
Date: Sat Aug 21 2004 - 09:46:59 BST
Hi Mark,
Vac> Mark 18-8-04: Hi Ilya, I wish to understand what contributes to openness to
Vac> DQ. Is being open to DQ healthy? Is it dangerous? When is it more healthy and
Vac> when is it more dangerous?
I think a person more open to DQ is more open to evolution, to personal
growth. He experiences a force that drives him forward, Forward,
FORWARD!
Is it healthy? - I am not sure. Is it dangerous? - Well, of course
there is always a danger in moving forward toward the unknown.
Vac> Mark 18-8-04: With regard to psychological health or danger from openness to
Vac> DQ, coherence characterises healthy states, and healthy states which are open
Vac> to DQ.
Vac> Wim's suggestion that we consider being more or less open to DQ doesn't say
Vac> very much it seems to me; he is stating an MOQ truism.
I'm afraid you didn't grasp the notion of openness to DQ, Mark. You talk
again and again about coherence, but coherence itself doesn't have
anything to do with openness to DQ, as I understand it.
Vac> Mark 18-8-04: I have no wish to define DQ by using the terms
Vac> coherent/incoherent. The postulation is that some static relationships are more open to DQ
Vac> than others.
It seems you use "openness to DQ" in a somewhat different sense. May be I
should try to find another term for my "openness to DQ", Mark? Could you
advise me such a term?
Vac> Mark 18-8-04: Allow me to use an analogy? Imagine a river full of white water
Vac> rapids. The energy flowing through this system is being dissipated in random
Vac> events; the water hisses and boils violently - balance between structure and
Vac> Dynamic pressure is chaotic.
Vac> Now imagine a fast flowing river with a smooth surface filled with small eddy
Vac> currents and whirlpools. These structures dissipate energy in relationships
Vac> which balance structure and Dynamic pressure.
It is an excellent analogy. I want to use it to show what I mean
by my "openness to DQ". Imagine that fast flowing river with a smooth
surface. What drives the water forward? - The force of gravity.
Suppose water has the experience of the force of gravity that makes
it move. Water, experiencing the desire to move down - why not?
Now, imagine this same relief and this same river on the Moon. Would
the water behave exactly alike? - No. It would flow much more slowly,
lazily. It's experience would be different. It would be much less
attracted by gravity.
Compare the experiences of the water on Earth and water on the Moon.
What can we say about them? They differ in intensity. And this same
difference of intensity of experience we may observe (or feel) in
different individuals, or in ourselves at different times.
I want to give name to this difference of intensity of experience and
try one term after another. "Dynamic pressure", "dynamicness",
"openness to DQ"... But none of these terms settle because I can not
explain to anybody what I mean by them. That makes me feel despair.
Vac> Lila is a white water rapid which lacks ritual and structure.
Vac> The Buddha is a smooth river.
Vac> Each dissipate vast Dynamic pressure
You see, Mark? You are talking in this last line exactly about what I
was talking! About "the amount of Dynamic pressure" a person
"dissipates". Can we coin a special term for it? I think "ability to
dissipate Dynamic pressure" is not tbe best way, taking into account
that the term "Dynamic pressure" itself was coined to designate this
same "ability to dissipate".
Best regards,
Ilya
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