From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Aug 22 2004 - 21:23:44 BST
Part IIb
Vac> Mark 18-8-04: Allow me to use an analogy? Imagine a river full of white
water
Vac> rapids. The energy flowing through this system is being dissipated in
random
Vac> events; the water hisses and boils violently - balance between structure
and
Vac> Dynamic pressure is chaotic.
Vac> Now imagine a fast flowing river with a smooth surface filled with small
eddy
Vac> currents and whirlpools. These structures dissipate energy in
relationships
Vac> which balance structure and Dynamic pressure.
It is an excellent analogy. I want to use it to show what I mean
by my "openness to DQ". Imagine that fast flowing river with a smooth
surface. What drives the water forward? - The force of gravity.
Suppose water has the experience of the force of gravity that makes
it move. Water, experiencing the desire to move down - why not?
Now, imagine this same relief and this same river on the Moon. Would
the water behave exactly alike? - No. It would flow much more slowly,
lazily. It's experience would be different. It would be much less
attracted by gravity.
Mark 22-8-04: This extension of the river analogy is ingenious but i feel it
is getting us into difficulties. The reason i say this is because we have
definitions of gravity and we not allowed to define DQ in any way. Therefore, if
we are going to indicate that which is more or less open to DQ we have to do so
in terms of static patterns of Quality. The way coherence does this is to
talk about relationships between static patterns which are more or less open to
DQ.
Compare the experiences of the water on Earth and water on the Moon.
What can we say about them? They differ in intensity. And this same
difference of intensity of experience we may observe (or feel) in
different individuals, or in ourselves at different times.
I want to give name to this difference of intensity of experience and
try one term after another. "Dynamic pressure", "dynamicness",
"openness to DQ"... But none of these terms settle because I can not
explain to anybody what I mean by them. That makes me feel despair.
Mark 22-8-04: Please do not despair Ilya. You are doing just fine! "Openness
to DQ" is an acceptable phrase.
Vac> Lila is a white water rapid which lacks ritual and structure.
Vac> The Buddha is a smooth river.
Vac> Each dissipate vast Dynamic pressure
You see, Mark? You are talking in this last line exactly about what I
was talking! About "the amount of Dynamic pressure" a person
"dissipates". Can we coin a special term for it? I think "ability to
dissipate Dynamic pressure" is not the best way, taking into account
that the term "Dynamic pressure" itself was coined to designate this
same "ability to dissipate".
Best regards,
Ilya
Mark 22-8-04: See? We are doing better than perhaps you thought? Perhaps you
would like to reflect upon the Stagnation/Coherence/Chaos continuum a little
more? Notice how there is an increase in Openness to DQ, or an increasing
Dynamic pressure from Stagnation up to Chaos?
I hope this helps, let us keep moving forward! ;)
All the best,
Mark
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