From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Sep 07 2004 - 20:57:45 BST
Hi Scott,
I like it, but have some suggestions. You omitted a key component--an
individual PERSON who does the thinking and responding to DQ. (See inserts
in caps to your reasoning.) Also, I've changed No. 4 because you
inadvertently repeated "static intellectual patterns of value," creating a
contradiction, and I eliminated the idea that "thought grows plants"
because thought as Pirsig defines it (collection and manipulation of
symbols) is limited to humans. (Plants can't read Lila.) Finally, I
reached a different conclusion.
> 1. Are static patterns of value universals or particulars? Answer: They
> must be universals, as implied by the word "pattern". A particular, once it
> exists, cannot be changed. Only the rules for producing particulars can be
> changed, and so it is only as universals that there is value for the
> present and future (the particular does serve to exemplify the universal,
> however) .
> 2. DQ, the creative force, works with existing SQ to produce new SQ.
> (MOQ thesis).
> 3. The word for working with universals to produce new universals is
> intellect, as it is a matter of an PERSON evaluating existing universals
> (concepts, rules) by imagining the consequences of choosing among
> possibilities, and making the choice.
> 4. Therefore, DQ is intellect-in-use by a PERSON responding to DQ, and
> all SQ are static intellectual patterns of value (which may be
> subdivided into inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual
> patterns.
> 5. Therefore, "Quality" as used in the MOQ is a static intellectual
> pattern (symbol) created by a PERSON (Pirsig) responding to DQ. Although
> Quality, the symbol, is a static pattern, as a phenomenon it can't be
> confined to a pattern of any kind.
Have a missed the point of your reasoning? Perhaps your original text
about "thought growing plants" is key to your whole approach, i.e., the
universe is one big thought.
Platt
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