From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Sep 26 2004 - 16:36:29 BST
The author is obviously real - Lavery I'm guessing.
The story is (presumably) fiction,
but based on the realities in the authors head,
just like stories that claim to be non-fiction in fact.
I'm beginning to wish I'd not made the earlier comment.
I was really just remarking on the original basis for the plot line,
not wanting a debate on extraneous details.
Are the messages in the plot any good.
That's rhetorical BTW.
(I've still not read it.)
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Loggins" <brloggins@yahoo.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: MD Pirsig Recommended Website
> I don't. Are you talking to me? I don't care what she
> calls herself, as long as she's real and had these
> experiences for real and their not made up. Who thinks
> she's not real and who thinks she is? And who thinks
> it's important and who thinks it's not?
> the Real Rich
>
> --- Ian Glendinning <ian@psybertron.org> wrote:
>
> > What's so ourageous about a writer using a pseudonym
> > for daramtic effect ?
> > In this case a very specific allusion.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD Pirsig Recommended Website
> >
> >
> > > Why can't she be real but doesn't want to use her
> > real name?
> > >
> > > - Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Richard Loggins <brloggins@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > > Date: 9/25/2004 1:13:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: MD Pirsig Recommended Website
> > > >
> > > > So your all saying that Johanna Climacus is not
> > real.
> > > > The real author (Lavery) doesn't really have
> > PDD, and
> > > > this theory that PDD is cultural is also
> > fiction???
> > > > Does anyone feel like the air is let out of the
> > > > balloon a little bit? I feel cheated. At least
> > > > Pirsig's experiences are (as far as I know)
> > true.
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > --- Scott Roberts <jse885@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ian,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would guess that "Johanna Climacus" was
> > taken as a
> > > > > female counterpart to
> > > > > Kierkegaard's use of Johann Climacus as a
> > pseudonym
> > > > > (which is in turn a
> > > > > reference to St. John Climacus).
> > > > >
> > > > > - Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Ian Glendinning <ian@psybertron.org>
> > > > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > > > > Date: 9/20/2004 5:29:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: MD Pirsig Recommended Website
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aha, got it - maybe - The Name of the Rose
> > in
> > > > > reverse.
> > > > > > Fictional character - play on St John
> > Climacus
> > > > > (Stairway to Heaven) - goes
> > > > > > back in time to rid the world of mind-matter
> > > > > duality ?
> > > > > > The plot has possibilities.
> > > > > > Beaten to it, back to the drawing board.
> > > > > > Ian Glendinning
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <ant.mcwatt@ntlworld.com>
> > > > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 3:09 PM
> > > > > > Subject: MD Pirsig Recommended Website
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It isn't very often that Robert Pirsig
> > > > > recommends a website so I'm sure
> > > > > > the following one must be worth a look. The
> > fact
> > > > > that it has some pages
> > > > > on
> > > > > > Owen Barfield is certainly a good start.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anthony
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert Pirsig to Anthony McWatt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent : 19 September 2004 13:41:36
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject : Web site
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is a web site the entire Lila Squad
> > might
> > > > > be interested in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://mtsu32.mtsu.edu:11072/EvilGenius/entrance.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> > > > > > > Mail Archives:
> > > > > > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 -
> > > > > http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> > > > > > > Nov '02 Onward -
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> > > > > > > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the
> > > > > instructions at:
> > > > > > > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> > > > > > Mail Archives:
> > > > > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 -
> > > > > http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> > > > > > Nov '02 Onward -
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> > > > > > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the
> > > > > instructions at:
> > > > > > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> > > > > Mail Archives:
> > > > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 -
> > > > > http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> > > > > Nov '02 Onward -
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> > > > > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
> > > > >
> > > > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the
> > > > > instructions at:
> > > > > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB
> > messages!
> > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> > > > Mail Archives:
> > > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 -
> > http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> > > > Nov '02 Onward -
> > >
> >
> http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> > > > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the
> > instructions at:
> > > > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> > > Mail Archives:
> > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 -
> > http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> > > Nov '02 Onward -
> >
> http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> > > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
> > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
>
>
> MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
> Mail Archives:
> Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
> Nov '02 Onward -
http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
> MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
>
> To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
> http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
>
MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
Mail Archives:
Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Sun Sep 26 2004 - 16:35:39 BST