Re: MD A bit of reasoning

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 11 2004 - 18:12:36 BST

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    Hi

    You're probably right, words will remain
    in an SOM form, it is very practical.
    The thing that needs to keep us in check
    is getting philosophy in a better state and
    getting back at the core of education.
    Then we may have a grasp of how
    our different forms of knowledge fit together,
    despite pragmatist indifference to this goal.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Charles Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:43 PM
    Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning

    > David:
    >
    > Yes, it is very hard to see past all the SQ. If it weren't so hard, I
    > don't think there would be any need for this discussion, or the MoQ for
    > that matter.
    >
    > For example, the fact that all this transpires via email is another
    > level of static to be navigated. There is no voice inflection; there
    > are no body language cues; there is no immediate qualification of
    > present misunderstanding, etc.
    >
    > Despite all that, ideas flow and people grow (at least I do) to some
    > extent. After all, an existing, evolving MoQ is better than no MoQ, I
    > think.
    >
    > Communication as we know it, I'm afraid, has been given a life sentence
    > behind the bars of SQ without the possibility of parole, but it's all
    > we've got.
    >
    > I'm a big fan of words. I've given this a lot of thought, but I just
    > don't see any hope for language ever sprouting legs to crawl from the
    > SQ muck.
    >
    > I'm hoping someone will prove me wrong.
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Chuck
    >
    >
    > On Oct 10, 2004, at 7:11 AM, David Morey wrote:
    >
    > > see correction below
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:15 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >
    > >
    > >> well, it's very hard to see past all the SQ is it not?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> DM
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> ----- Original Message -----
    > >> From: "Charles Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
    > >> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > >> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:31 AM
    > >> Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> But isn't that the whole point?
    > >>>
    > >>> By the time these experiences and/or ideas are expressed in words or
    > >>> any other form of communication, they are, in effect, SQ!
    > >>>
    > >>> The Tao that can be expressed in words is not the true Tao.
    > >>>
    > >>> Or something to that effect.
    > >>>
    > >>> Wave on!
    > >>>
    > >>> Chuck
    > >>>
    > >>> On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:07 PM, David Morey wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> I agree here with Scott, if you could understand
    > >>>> the relationship between SQ and DQ in language
    > >>>> you could probably apply this to the whole cosmos.
    > >>>> What we think of as experience is entirely artefacts/signs
    > >>>> as invented and used to make patterns of all the flux of
    > >>>> infleunces acting on our bodies from the outside.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> DM
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
    > >>>> From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    > >>>> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > >>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:19 AM
    > >>>> Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> Mel,
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> [Skipping a great deal, but I've fallen too far behind, so I just
    > >>>>> want to
    > >>>>> mention...]
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> mel:
    > >>>>>> To discuss MoQ in language will trap us in SOM.
    > >>>>>> To look for MoQ outside of language makes it
    > >>>>>> incompatible with a pholosophical approach.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> I think there is an answer to this dilemma in ceasing to look on
    > >>>>> language
    > >>>>> as just a tool (which I consider a SOM limitation) and concentrate
    > >>>>> on
    > >>>>> language itself. Not in what it describes, nor studying its syntax,
    > >>>>> semantics, and pragmatics (not that that is uninteresting), but
    > >>>>> looking
    > >>>>> into its conditions of possibility, and seeing it as a microcosm of
    > >>>>> the
    > >>>>> macrocosm.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Oh yes, a reference for the logic of contradictory identity: The
    > >>>>> Nothingness Beyond God: An Introduction to the Philosophy of
    > >>>>> Nishida
    > >>>>> Kitaro, by Robert E. Carter.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> - Scott
    > >>>>>
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