RE: MD On Faith

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Mon Oct 11 2004 - 23:56:59 BST

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    Hello Platt, All:

    Platt:

    "As Scott as pointed out several times, orthodox theology has evolved over
    the years in light of new knowledge. But, it's faith in a spiritual
    presence hasn't changed from the beginning. Similarly, science has evolved
    in the light of new knowledge. But it's faith in naturalism hasn't changed
    from the beginning. It will not allow an unmeasurable creative power, like
    DQ, into it's explanations."

    Chuck responds:

    Platt, I know you're fond of dictionary definitions:

    or·tho·dox ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôrth-dks)
    adj.

    1. Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially
    in religion.

    2. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian
    ecumenical creeds.

    Orthodox

    3. Of or relating to any of the churches or rites of the Eastern Orthodox
    Church.

    4. Of or relating to Orthodox Judaism.

    5. Adhering to what is commonly accepted, customary, or traditional: an
    orthodox view of world affairs.

    n.

    Is it possible for "orthodox theology" to evolve beyond being "orthodox?" I
    mean, if it evolves, correct me if I'm wrong, it's no longer "orthodox,"
    right? The whole point of being orthodox is that it does not evolve! Once
    it evolves, it becomes something else! That's why those people hang
    together, they don't want to evolve. They want nothing to do with the
    Dynamic!

    That is my problem with them! They are intrinsically in-group/out-group!
    They shun science! They're all Indian ink wells and quills and no pencils!
    Given the opportunity, they would bite the erasers off of science's
    pencils!!!

    Is it me?

    Best regards,

    Chuck

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] @venus.co. [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    On Behalf Of Platt Holden
    Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:02 PM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org; owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    Subject: RE: MD On Faith

    Hi Chuck, Scott, All

    > I ran across this this morning while reading LILA.
    >
    > >From Chapter 17, pg. 254-255:
    >
    > "It's ironic that although the philosophy of science leaves no room for
    any
    > undefined Dynamic activity, it's science's unique organization for the
    > handling of the Dynamic that gives it its superiority. Science supercedes
    > old religious forms, not because what it says is more true in any absolute
    > sense (whatever that is), but because what it says is more Dynamic.
    >
    > If scientists had simply said Copernicus was right and Ptolemy was wrong
    > without any willingness to further investigate the subject, then science
    > would have simply become another religious creed. But Scientific truth
    has
    > always contained an overwhelming difference from theological truth: it is
    > provisional. Science always contains an eraser, a mechanism whereby new
    > Dynamic insight could wipe out old static patterns without destroying
    > science itself. Thus science, unlike orthodox theology, has been capable
    > of continuous, evolutionary growth. As Phaedrus had written on one of his
    > slips, "The pencil is mightier than the pen."
    >
    > Seemed pertinent to the conversation.

    As Scott as pointed out several times, orthodox theology has evolved over
    the years in light of new knowledge. But, it's faith in a spiritual
    presence hasn't changed from the beginning. Similarly, science has evolved
    in the light of new knowledge. But it's faith in naturalism hasn't changed
    from the beginning. It will not allow an unmeasurable creative power, like
    DQ, into it's explanations.

    Platt

        

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