Re: MD A bit of reasoning

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Oct 14 2004 - 19:13:54 BST

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    Hi C

    I would add, DQ is creeative and SQ and the levels
    exist and are not dependent on structured perception.
    We assert this when we tell a cosmic evolutionary story.

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Chuck Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:54 PM
    Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning

    > David:
    >
    > SQ is the vision of expectation, but DQ is elusive and difficult to see
    > except as snatched glimpses at the periphery of common experience.
    >
    > SQ is readily available, while DQ is fleeting. SQ is the Status Quo.
    > DQ is what's happening at the cusp of the status quo.
    >
    > SQ lumbers, DQ is constant flux.
    >
    > SQ is history and future. DQ is the present moment, the right here,
    > right now. DQ is REALITY.
    >
    > SQ strikes me as what DQ leaves behind.
    >
    > I think I agree with you David. I think.
    >
    > Best, C.
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 13, 2004, at 11:50 AM, David Morey wrote:
    >
    > > Hi folks
    > >
    > > I still like to bang on about my view that
    > > SQ is the withdrawal of DQ. Does anyone
    > > else get this? DQ is full of limitless possibilities.
    > > If it expresses one possibility and withdraws we
    > > are left with only repeats. This is SQ. Any other takers
    > > for my humble idea? It links very nicely with god as the withdrawn
    > > one in some religious writings.
    > >
    > > regards
    > > DM
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:33 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >
    > >
    > >> Joe,
    > >>
    > >>> [joe] it is hard for me to discard a mystical experience of DQ!
    > >>
    > >> No reason to, as far as I can see. Human intellect is different from
    > >> Intellect, and mystical experience can be seen as a momentary
    > >> breakthrough
    > >> of Intellect.
    > >>
    > >> Do the self
    > >>> and awareness share the same definition? To say a couple of things
    > >>> about
    > >> DQ
    > >>> like 'creativity' and 'drives evolution' acknowledges a mystical
    > >>> sense.
    > >> What
    > >>> are its limits?
    > >>
    > >> Since DQ sets limits (which are SQ) it is unlimited.
    > >>
    > >>> IMO morality is not merely the logic of awareness. Morality
    > >>> is the response of awareness to the evolution of levels. How can I
    > >>> avoid
    > >> SOM
    > >>> if I divide self and awareness?
    > >>
    > >> Why divide them? To distinguish is not to divide. SOM makes the
    > >> division
    > >> real, but in the MOQ (and what I am aiming at), awareness creates the
    > >> self
    > >> and what it is aware of in the act of awareness.
    > >>
    > >> IMO awareness is dynamic only in relation to
    > >>> its own existence. IMO my focus, awareness, is extremely limited. I
    > >>> want
    > >> to
    > >>> experience the fullness of DQ!
    > >>
    > >> "You" cannot experience the fullness of DQ, if I understand what
    > >> mystics
    > >> are saying. The fullness of DQ creates/experiences many "you's" by
    > >> setting
    > >> limits. (IMO, of course.)
    > >>
    > >> - Scott
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
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