From: Horse (horse@darkstar.uk.net)
Date: Fri Oct 15 2004 - 00:17:20 BST
Hi Erin
I think there's been a bit of confusion with respect to what I was saying. The original
statement (in context) was:
[David]
> > I think [science] is due a number of challenges, that somehow
> > full human flourishing will need to go hand in hand with a re-enchantment of the
> > cosmos and this would require a very different sort of science, one that recognised
> > DQ as much as SQ I would suggest.
[Horse]
> I think so too. Materialism has been the dominant belief in Science for a long time but
> as Science struggles to explain phenomena beyond the merely physical this will
> eventually change. As with other systems though, there is still a lot of momentum to be
> overcome.
I am saying here that what I think will eventually change is the dominance of Materialism
in Science, not that that Science will eventually explain phenomena beyond the merely
physical. It might do but to say that would be faith, as you correctly point out. Once the
dominance of Materialism fades, as it hopefully will, Science will need to look elsewhere
for it's metaphysical underpinning. If any new foundation doesn't include an acceptance
of Value (preferably in the MOQ sense) then Science will probably remain stuck at the
physical level. Does that clarify my comments about my experience of human nature etc.
My apologies if I was not entirely clear in my original statement, hopefully I've been
more successful this time. If not let me know.
Horse
On 14 Oct 2004 at 9:13, macavity11 wrote:
> > HORSE: Materialism has been the dominant belief in Science for a long time but as
> > Science struggles to explain phenomena beyond the merely physical this will eventually
> > change. As with other systems though, there is still a lot of momentum to be overcome.
> >
> > ERIN: now that is faith in science!
>
> HORSE: Not really. More like experience of human nauture and knowledge of history. Science is
> probably the best we currently have at explaining the physical nature of the world but
> sorely lacking when physical bounds are reached.
>
>
> ERIN: I am still not clear on how it isn't faith----If they have not had the ability to explain beyond
> the physical bounds in the past how can you say that your belief that they will in the future
> is not faith but experience?
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