From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Oct 18 2004 - 22:07:56 BST
Ok, I'll play...
In what way(s) is God different from Pirsig's Quality?
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
-- InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since 1983 Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is everything." -- Henri Poincare' On 18 Oct 2004 at 19:28, David Morey wrote: Good start but pretty easy... God is that which underlies all definition. regards DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: RE: MD is god real? > Define "God." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk > [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Morey > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 3:29 AM To: moq_discuss@moq.org > Subject: Re: MD is god real? > > Hi > > I like this challenge, I think the reality > of god is unavoidable. Let's have your questions... > > DM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:28 AM > Subject: Re: MD On Faith > > >> Geez, Ian. What's got your knickers in a twist? >> >> I'm confused by your message below because your reference to my >> "preaching" and "all you Christians" seem to be directed at me. >> Not only am I not a Christian, I'm not even a theist. I'm not an >> atheist or agnostic, either. I guess I'm sort of hyperagnostic in >> that I don't even understand what it is I'm supposed to believe in >> or not believe in. >> >> On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand your vehemence toward >> people discussing ideas of faith here, as they very often revolve >> around ideas in the MOQ. If these discussions upset you, can't you >> just set your mail reader to filter them out? >> >> My experience in life, so far, is that even people who claim to >> belive in God, if asked enough questions, reveal an ignorance >> similar if not identical to my own. It could very well be that >> Scott and Sam and others who offer their ideas here will be able to >> show me otherwise, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear them. >> >> >> Regards, >> Mark Steven Heyman (msh) >> -- >> InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors >> Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since 1983 >> Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com >> >> "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is >> everything." -- Henri Poincare' >> >> >> >> >> >> On 14 Oct 2004 at 13:32, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >> As to your point aimed at me - "bad logic" ??? >> In the real world logic is bad full stop - has been my consistent >> thesis for several years. Don't start preaching to me. >> >> Unfortunately for all you Christians, the sanctimonious B**s >> currently leading our nations both declare their faith in your god. >> I'm neutral on this as I've declared constantly. I prefer reality - >> the MoQ or thought patterns of that ilk. I avoid your mystical god >> and Dawkins' god of objective scientific logic with equal passion. >> >> That will include avoiding this MoQ discussion board in future if >> the reliogious zealots don't leave off posting their religious >> claptrap at every opportunity. There are plenty of other discussion >> forums where we can get that. >> >> Ian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> >> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org> >> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:30 PM >> Subject: RE: MD On Faith >> >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > You may remember a while back that DMB and I were trying to >> convince >> > someone (Ian, I think) that bad logic can be very dangerous in >> > the real world. Take a look at the following line of reasoning: >> > >> > "Dawkins supports a belief system which denies the existence of >> God. >> > Communism and humanism are belief systems that also deny the >> > existence of God. Godless belief systems have slaughtered >> > millions to impose their belief systems on others. ... That's why >> > I objected to Dawkins' sanctimonious support of his pagan belief >> > system." >> > >> > msh says: >> > Now, imagine a world in which people who reason in this way >> actually >> > have political and military power. >> > >> > Actually, sadly, it's not hard to imagine... >> > >> > Best, >> > msh >> > -- >> > InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors >> > Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since >> > 1983 Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com >> > >> > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash >> > is everything." -- Henri Poincare' >> > >> >> >> >> MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org >> Mail Archives: >> Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ >> Nov '02 Onward - > http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html >> MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net >> >> To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: >> http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html >> > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org > Mail Archives: > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ > Nov '02 Onward - > http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries > - horse@darkstar.uk.net > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html > > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org > Mail Archives: > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ > Nov '02 Onward - > http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries > - horse@darkstar.uk.net > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archives: Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archives: Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
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