From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Oct 29 2004 - 16:41:35 BST
On 28 Oct 2004 at 13:10, Erin wrote:
msh says:
Well here's what I said:
"...people often fail to see the value in valuable things for a
variety of reasons, one of the most common being discomfort with the
unfamiliar. Though we often appear to be far apart in our value
estimations, we need not be. If everyone's ground of experience was
equally broad I'd expect the discrepancies to all but disappear. We
share a common humanity, after all."
erin: True. But in case there was a hidden implication, i don't think this is the reason (i.e discomfort of the unfamiliar) I don't like calling my experiencing the value of a painting as empirical. For me it is more analgous to when something "new" doesn't seem as good as old, e.g., the trend of calling something you really like "bad". Don't forget the discomfort with the old ----- Maybe this is the underlying reason why somebody doesn't like to admit Buddhism is an old religion, discomfort with the idea that something old may be better than the new.
msh: So one way to solve the problem might be to try to broaden our ground
of experience. Maybe the person who likes the painting and the one
who likes the wall should get together and talk it over. It may be
that the wall guy sees walls as a kind of found art. Maybe he likes
the texture, or values the way a certain crack ripples and spreads
into a subtle off-color stain. Or the painting-person might point
out some beautiful but subtle effect in the painting that the wall
person had missed. In sharing, their bases of experience become
broader, and their chance of quality agreement more likely.
erin: LOL the wall is found art, you crack me up. Are you a salesman? politician? diplomat?
Okay my turn to be silly and I am not only going to embrace the new definition of empircal but also add some more to help unify science and the MoQ.
Erin and her scientist friend went to the art museum.
Erin: I really like this painting.
Scientist: Ugghh it is awful.
Erin: I hypothesize that this painting has high quality. I just did an experiment and the results were significant. Therefore I have just demonstrated empirical evidence that supports my hypothesis.
Scientist: ?????
Erin: I have broadened the meaning of these terms.
Scientist: whatever it is still ugly
Erin: You have no hope of understanding the MOQ or more succinctly mu.
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