From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Oct 31 2004 - 19:46:01 GMT
From: Erin : I went and searched through the definitions of emprical. I do
finally understand why you are using it. Although I finally understand why
you use it, I don't plan on using it. To me the word emprical is more
associated with the scientific field and my understanding it stems from how
they use the word. The philosophical way of using it is just too different
for me that it doesn't really seem like the same word to me anymore, and
just seems to confuse things for me. (I don't put science above philosophy,
it is just that term I associated with how science uses it)
I am not sure why but this all seems like an "apology" that Quality is not
empirical (in the scientific sense), although I know that is not a fair
because no field "owns" a word so you don't have to tell me why it is not.
I do apologize for not doing a thorough search of this word earlier. I do
believe, but may be wrong, that how you use it not as well known.
dmb says:
Maybe somebody can help becasue I don't recall where it comes from, but I
think Pirsig said the MOQ accepts the scientific principle which says, "that
which cannot be distinguished from anythng else does not exist" and adds
that value is the same way. It says "that which is not valued is not
distinguishable from anything else". This is how value becomes the source of
all distinctions, this is better than that a gazillion times until patterns
are built up to become the world of distinquishable things, empirical
things. The world is built of these distinctions, these values so that we
get a radical, expanded empriicism. And these "contsructions" are sort of
epistemology and ontology at the same time. We are created by these patterns
of likes and dislikes, in some sense, and yet these patterns of distinctions
are still considered to be as real as rocks and trees.
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