From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat Nov 06 2004 - 03:19:01 GMT
On 5 Nov 2004 at 17:25, Scott Roberts wrote:
I agree with Platt on this. The Caesar quote says nothing about
encouraging his followers to impose taxes, just to pay them, not to
impose law but to obey the law, and not mix up God's things with
Caesar's. To give out of the goodness of one's heart is one thing, to
take from the rich to give to the poor is another. It is one own's
wealth that one is to give away, not someone else's.
msh says:
Scott, I gotta tell ya, I had to read this post three times to make
sure it was written by the same guy with whom I've been discussing
the relative merits of the MOQ and MOC. It is astonishing to me that
someone so comfortable on Level IV can be so naïve or self-deluded
about what goes on at Level III. Wealth is and always has been
accumulated and held by VIOLENCE, through conquest followed by
slavery, then enforced with violence as needed through various
controlled elements of political power. We are seeing it happen at
this instant, as American forces begin their slaughter of Iraqis in
Falluja.
I am more than confident I can defend anything I've said here, and
will take it up with you in another thread if you like. If not,
Dude, stick to Level IV.
scott continues:
Basically, I think Jesus would be apolitical. Work on oneself, and
help your neighbor (who is anyone you run across that needs help),
rather than try to fix things through politics, as in "And why
beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest
not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Luke 6:41)
msh says:
The idea expressed here is precisely what Freud meant when he said
religion is the opiate of the masses. Don't try to fix things
through politics; the people who are running things know best: let
them handle it. Scott, I'm gonna be depressed for the rest of the
evening... say it ain't so.... :-(
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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