From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 09 2004 - 12:07:35 GMT
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From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: MD Moral values in the election and in the Bible
> Hi Arlo, Platt, anyone interested.
>
> > Oh, I'm just jiding the self-professed christian moralists. This whole thing was
> > about the claim that the election was over "morals" (as Platt put it, a victory
> > of social morality over biological morality). Since these "morals", as Platt
> > and the christian right profess them, are the age-old biblical admonitions
> > against homosexuality and sex, I find it so interesting they ignore the other
> > moralities of the religion they claim to hold high (or use to rally rural
> > support for their war agenda).
>
> Just wanted to say something on this, with respect to the gay rights issue. I think there is a
> strong theological case that can be made in favour of gay rights, but we needn't go into it here.
> What we could do, though, is describe what it looks like from a MoQ perspective. In other words,
if
> you see gay behaviour as 'lust' (ie biological patterns which devour the higher level social
> patterns) then it needs to be repressed. But if you see gay behaviour as comparable to
heterosexual
> behaviour then there is no difficulty with amending the social patterns in such a way that the
> overall social pattern (which is what conservatives wish to preserve) is upheld. The irony is that
> the people who most believe in marriage are the people who aren't allowed to achieve it.
>
> Moreover, if the social patterns are changed then we get all the benefits from a group of people
> being fully integrated into society, able to offer their gifts etc, and enjoying social
protection.
> And we are (ideally) spared the spectacle of verbal and literal gay-bashing which a repressive
> social climate always fosters - and which is deeply DQ if nothing else.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Sam
>
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