From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sat Nov 13 2004 - 21:47:41 GMT
Steve Jon,
[Aside
Possibly I'm one of those "Some people [who] think that basing your life on the fiction of God is stupid".
Basing one's own life on it is fine by me, but someone bringing it into public life (my life, a young child's life) is criminal IMHO.]
Anyway you raise important points.
(1) We cannot live with value-less relativism, that would indeed be chaos.
Not all fiction is created equal.
Not all theories have equal value.
Scientific proof / falsification is not the only measure of a theory's value.
We need a wider / better basis for values.
And lo, what have we here ?
(2) There is a very important degree of conservatism in the MoQ, which reflects the fact that balanced real world life needs a little of it too.
Layers of SQ support and must be protected from undermining by SQ between layers above. (Some call this Hygiene.)
It is equally important however that conservatism doesn't lead to constraints on dynamic creativity in the layers above, and "conserve order" inappropriately.
Total conservatism is as dangerous as total chaos (and vice versa)
Understanding how the MoQ layers can provide such a balance is key IMHO.
Ian
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From: Ascmjk@aol.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: MD Wisconsin School OKs Creationism Teaching
In a message dated 11/13/2004 8:58:11 AM Central Standard Time, peterson.steve@verizon.net writes:
No, I'm just wondering what the fear is about teaching Creationism. I
can't even imagine what that would look like in a science classroom
other than the teacher saying that some people believe that God created
all the species to be how they are. What else would be said? I imagine
that a discussion of the relative merits of different ideas about the
origin of species would ensue, but I can't think of what the lesson on
Creationism would be like. Can you help me imagine it?
I thought it was a theory. Since science has no values (not officially), the theory of Creationism is no more or less moral than than any other theory. Then again, according to science, morality itself is a fiction. Maybe some people are saying that certain fiction is OK, but other kinds of fiction is not. Some people think that basing your life on the fiction of God is stupid, but basing your life on the fiction of morality is sort of necessary to prevent chaos. (Is it just me, or is that a conservative kind of idea? that morality is needed to "conserve" order?) Hmm. Jon
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