From: Simon Magson (twix_570@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 2004 - 12:02:30 GMT
Scott Roberts responded to this:
> > The answer is that none of the answers that you can come up with to that
> > mathematical question have quality. You are looking for an answer that
> > fulfils a harmony, you know when you have found that harmony because you
> > sense it, even before you have fully committed the answer to
>mathematical
> > expression.
>
>Huh? There is a perfectly good answer, namely its proof, still taught to
>mathematics students 2500 years after it was first realized. The point is
>that the proof does not depend on sense experience.
The first "realisation" of the proof was a moment of high intellectual
quality. High intellectual quality is sensed.
>I stand corrected, that is, I see that Pirsig treats value as phenomenal.
>So now my question is: what is not phenomenal? What I am getting at is that
>what SOM divided, Pirsig is reuniting by ignoring one side of the division,
>as materialists do, by relabelling, rather than finding common ground.
Nonsense. The material and mental division of SOM has a common ground in
value.
>Thus, he extends empirical to cover what used to be rational *as distinct
>from* empirical, and objective to what used to be subjective.
I agree that he extends, and blurs with the philosophic meaning of rational,
the term "empirical", but he doesn't extend the meaning of "objective".
Phenomenal just means "known through the senses" and quality is known
through sense experience.
SM
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