From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 2004 - 01:57:28 GMT
On 28 Nov 2004 at 8:34, Scott Roberts wrote:
platt:
The limits of ordinary logic were well known by Western philosophers
even before Godel formalized it's basic contradiction.
scott:
> > Godel didn't show it as being contradictory, only incomplete.
>
platt:
> Godel showed it as being contradictory in proving there's no such
> thing as proof.
scott:
Well, no. It proves that there exist arithmetical statements that are
true but unprovable, which means that arithmetic is incomplete. But
there are an infinite number of provable arithmetic statements, such
as "2+2=4" and "there is no greatest prime number." Godel's Theorem
does not change their provability in the slightest.
msh butts in:
Give it up Scott. I explained all of this to Platt last month, or
the month before. It doesn't matter. Once my friend Platt has
commandeered and distorted an idea to fit his agenda, there is no
turning back....
Platt's of the philosophical school of "say something enough times,
with conviction, and it becomes true." He'd make a great spokesman
for the Bush administration... Or, the Fourth Reich, which won't be
far behind...
"...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we
imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and
repetitious."
-Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly...it
must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
-Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
Best to all,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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