From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Mon Nov 29 2004 - 16:03:57 GMT
Platt,
> > > Godel showed it as being contradictory in proving there's no such
thing
> > >as proof.
> >
> > Well, no. It proves that there exist arithmetical statements that are
true
> > but unprovable, which means that arithmetic is incomplete.
>
> "It proves . . .unprovable" was my point.
There is an enormous difference between saying that a particular statement
is unprovable, and saying that there's no such thing as proof. Would you
say that because there is one mountain that is over 29000 feet in altitude,
therefore all mountains are?
>
> > But he falls off the Middle Way when he says: "the mystical goal is to
> > experience pure DQ by putting all SQ to sleep". [Ch. 30] My position is
> > that there is no "pure DQ".
>
> Is that a verbatim quote? I can't find it. Anyway, he simply means to
have a
> mystic experience requires stopping one's internal chattering intellect
for
> awhile.
>
Sorry, this was my rephrasing of two quotes (from Ch. 30): "This solution
[to insanity] is to dissolve *all* static patterns, both sane and insane,
and find the base of reality, Dynamic Quality, that is independent of all
of them." and a few pages later, in reference to Zen practice, "You free
yourself from static patterns by putting them to sleep."
> I don't see where he views intellect as negative. He enjoys doing
> metaphysics.
It's treated negatively in relation to DQ, as in the hot stove example, or
in Ch, 29: "James had condensed this description to a single sentence:
"There must always be a discrepancy between concepts and reality, because
the former are static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and
flowing." Here James had chosen exactly the same words Phaedrus had used
for the basic subdivision of the [MOQ]."
Note that James has distinguished concepts from reality, with no objection
from Phaedrus.
- Scott
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