From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed Dec 01 2004 - 16:49:25 GMT
On 28 November 2004 3:40 AM MarshaV writes:
[MarshaV] Yes, there was a cluster of anger, lust, sloth, pride, envy,
gluttony and greed. When I confronted each of them I found them to be
nothing more than long buried aspects of myself. Mostly buried in
childhood. You know, they were created primarily by shame, humility, fear,
etc. They had become distorted and resentful little trolls, sometimes
whiney, sometimes very, very destructive, but always pathetic.
Hi MarshaV,
Wise words! Since about the age of 6 I have felt uneasy about myself. I
attributed it to being shy. When alone I am not shy. Something doesn't fit.
I cannot get Mark Maxwell's The Edge of Chaos on moq.org out of my thoughts.
The sweet spot! Sq-sq coherence leading to? (? = an experience of DQ)
'Coherence' what a word against the death penalty!
A better explanation! Pirsig adds to evolution a moral hierarchy. Not only
does evolution produce change, it produces levels. How? Earlier in time
Gurdjieff proposed 3 levels of an individual-- Intellect, Heart, and Body.
The level of body produces three levels-- instinct, moving, sex. My center
of gravity is in one level. The other two are less immediate to me. In how
many ways do 'levels of evolution' seem like a better explanation. Evolution
of awareness proceeds in steps to a sweet spot of creating myself.
Three levels of myself, one level dominant, proceed through 7 intervals of
growth, degeneration, preservation in each level. I repeat every day or
every year, or every decade, or whenever I sit and take stock. If I speed a
policeman of evolution is there to arrest me. Everything has its own time! I
can only go one step at a time. Wow! Who wants a conscience anyway! Chaos is
no way to live. Push on dear heart! A gush!
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MarshaV" <marshalz@i-2000.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: MD Self, the great unconscious
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> At 01:17 PM 11/27/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>>I hope you don't mind the personal nature of this reply but I suspect that
>>unconscious behavior can be immoral behavior, and I won't even know it
>>unless the police come by.
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> The cult thing can shake things up... The thing for me is not to get
> caught in any ideology, orthodox or unorthodox.
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> There came a time when I recognized bubbling up from my
> subconscious/unconscious a large amount of unpleasant stuff. Being a
> warrior at heart, I decided to read about the shadow and investigate 'my
> shadow'. I found clusters of 'stuff' that hung together. In New Hope,
> PA there is a Gargoyle Shop, where I found the sculptured heads of the
> seven deadly sins. I bought them and hung them in my studio. I made
> paintings of them. It wasn't long before I recognized each of those
> "sins" in myself. Yes, there was a cluster of anger, lust, sloth, pride,
> envy, gluttony and greed. When I confronted each of them I found them to
> be nothing more than long buried aspects of myself. Mostly buried in
> childhood. You know, they were created primarily by shame, humility,
> fear, etc. They had become distorted and resentful little trolls,
> sometimes whiney, sometimes very, very destructive, but always pathetic.
> They wanted to be acknowledged. They wanted to come to light. (By the
> way, there, well hidden in the troll labeled Pride, was my gumption to
> paint.) Now, occasionally they will go on a rampage and I will need to
> slay them like a dragon. But mostly I try to treat them as a good mother
> and try to find a way to bring them gently into the light. After a year,
> I took down those sculptures, but I still keep them close by.
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> Goddess Bless Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell!!! Don't you think that DQ
> can be healing through play?
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> Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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> MarshaV
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