From: john williams (ducati900@bigpond.com)
Date: Sun Jan 26 2003 - 22:13:36 GMT
Steve
> Steve: So do we all agree then that "Using government
> jackboots to impose [a] view on others is [a] problem"?
>
Using jackboots fullstop is a problem. I agree with Dave that it's a red
herring, there is nothing in my original post that suggested in anyway the
use of force to change opinions, it is obviously in some peoples minds the
only way to do things and so whn they hear you talk of change they can only
see their way of doing things. I'm left wodering what sort of rebuttal I
would have got if I'd suggested the removal of support for the poor and the
complete dismantling of government institutions.
Government persay isn't a problem,everybody wants government out until
things go to the shitter and then they usually cry out for their help,
properly structured and controlled it's something we must have.
Back to my original point, do you beleive that there are DQ people, people
who are naturally attracted to DQ or channel it, like the Brujo, I think
most people who are in this DG are DQ people and if you look at your
personal history you can recognize yourself as a person attracted to DQ.
John from The Rock
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Peterson" <speterson@fast.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: MD DQ people
> > John, Platt and everyone with feet:
> >
> > Platt said:
> > I have no problem with your chosen worldview. Using government
> > jackboots to impose that view on others is the problem.
> >
> > John said:
> > Where did you ever get that idea? Collective improvement does not
> > require jackbooting of any kind, the type of things I look for are
> > Intellectual DQ solutions to the problems we all have in common, they're
> > already happening, I reckon we should expand these occurrence and that
we
> > could come up with a template that would give us some thing to work
with.
> >
> > John said:
> > I thought your jackboot metaphor was interesting because I think of
anyone
> > with strong rightwing views is only a short trip to the shoe shop from
being
> > a Fascist, only I wasn't going to let that out, I was going to keep it
to
> > myself.
> >
> > DMB says:
> > Perhaps Platt doesn't know that in the Western world, big black boots,
> > preferably Doc Martians, are part of the unoffical neo-Nazi uniform. So
I
> > think you're quite right, John. "Jackboots" are certainly associated
with
> > right-wingers. There's no doubt. Platt uses the phrase, I suspect,
because
> > he listens to G. Gordon Liddy, a fascists talk radio host who told his
right
> > wing listeners that the police were nothing but "jackbooted thugs" and
> > instructed his fans to shoot them in the head should they ever dare to
enter
> > thier homes. This notion was widely circulated around the time of the
> > Oaklahoma City Bombing by all kinds of right-wing extremists.
> >
> > Further, I agree with you about DQ people too. Pirsig's prime examples
are
> > Lincoln and Ghandi. Both of them did things to make millions more free.
If
> > that's not helpful, then nothing is.
> >
> > Say hello to the rock for me,
> > DMB
>
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