From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Dec 25 2004 - 19:32:56 GMT
Sam, Mark and all MOQers:
Mark Steven Heyman said:
However, however, this point of contention, that there's a
connection between Schleiermacher ideas and the MOQ, seems important
enough to warrant a little additional background reading, IMO. And
it sounds as though DMB is kind of asking for authority in this case.
A final point from the referree: Whether or not someone has
appropriate philosophical "credentials" is (or should be) irrelevant
to the value of his or her ideas. You won't find Pirsig (or Sam or
DMB, or MSH) listed in any Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
dmb says:
Oh, Dude. You're killing me here. Authority and credentials are entirely
beside the point. Sam's assertion is that Schleiermacher has influenced
William James, especially the views expressed in his VARITIES OF RELIGIOUS
EXPERIENCE. I have only pointed out that Schleiermacher is not even
mentioned in that book. That's why Sam's assertion seems to be an
exaggeration, if not entirely untrue. My argument has nothing to do with
credentials or authority. It simply points out that there is no apparent
connection between the two thinkers. I know that we and Pirsig are not
listed in the encyclopedia of Philosophy. Neither are Campbell and Wilber.
Tis not the point at all.
My argument is not that Schleiermacher is an unimportant thinker, although
that seems to be true too. No. My point and my argument is simply that
Schleiermacher is unimportant TO WILLIAM JAMES and the other philosophical
mystics who most inform my view on the topic.
I took Sam's assertion seriously enough to look into it and so far it seems
that his case falls apart at the slightest scrutiny. I think it has already
been pretty thorougly defeated. (OH, I looked into Kant again and my
original hunch has panned out. Kant himself was no mystic and in fact saw
his assertions as having no theological implications at all.) But I'll go
the extra step just to play along. I'll see what I can find out about
Jantzen even though it looks like a dead end.
Oh, and one more thing for the moderator. You're fired.
Merry christmas to both of you.
dmb
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