Re: MD Is the MoQ still in the Kantosphere?

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sat Jan 08 2005 - 13:06:42 GMT

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    Hi DMB - that would be why I mistook you for a bible-thumping 1950's
    preacher then :-)
    Another case of mistaken identity - Platt this time, if you say so.

    You said
    "As I understand it, dance and music have always been about getting laid.
    Ask any peacock. But what that has to do with philosophy or romantic
    movements is not at all clear."

    I say, I like those words, but I'm not sure I have any earth-shattering
    answer beyond the MoQ - biological evolution supported by social &
    intellectual ingenuity, which has lots to do with philosophy, romantic or
    otherwise.

    Defending some new-age ideas ?
    Yeah, but only in principle. I guess I'm debating here is the epithet
    "new-age".
    New age tends to get used pejoratively against any "non-objective" spritual
    thought, whereas say Zen or Magic 'Shrooms are clearly as old as the hills -
    some people may believe in them for new-age fashionable reasons, some may
    believe they do actually say something about real life values. Being branded
    new-age doesn't make it wrong, it just says something about the values of
    the person doing the branding.

    ie people who see themselves as part of a new age "movement" are proabably
    adopting he term for political, social mob reasons against some
    establishment politics
    ie people who brand whacky pseudo science as new age, or who are detractotrs
    of the "movement" above are doing so for equally contemptible political
    motives.
    (I quoted Mary Midgely earlier on the same names used to label hypcritically
    opposite actions ...)

    "New Age" includes a distribution of saints and sinners just as does The
    Labour Party or the Republicans.
    The labels are "motivated" or intentional.
    But it's all very SOMits and irrelevant to debate whether its the subjects
    or the objects being labelled.

    More usefully, eg Crystal pyramids may not actually have any "powers" beyond
    the placebo, but the mythology behind them probably has a germ of value
    somewhere, that could be better interpreted with mindfulness, quality or
    interaction or whatever.

    OK
    Ian

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 4:09 AM
    Subject: RE: MD Is the MoQ still in the Kantosphere?

    > Ian Glendinning said to DMB:
    > You added "degenerate rock and roll" to Platt's list of "new age"
    > degeneracies. You added to his list. What more can I say on the first
    point.
    > ...BTW on what authority / evidence / basis do you brand "rock and roll"
    as
    > degenerate.
    >
    > dmb replies:
    > I didn't say anything about rock music, Platt did. When I read it, I
    rolled
    > my eyes and deleted it. Sounds like something a bible-thumping preacher
    > would say - in the 1950's.
    >
    > As I understand it, dance and music have always been about getting laid.
    Ask
    > any peacock. But what that has to do with philosophy or romantic movements
    > is not at all clear.
    >
    > But more to the point, you seem to be defending the legitimacy of the new
    > age movement - or at least some part of it. Could you be more specific? Do
    > you have in mind a particular new age belief or idea that you think is
    worth
    > defending? If so, let's hear it.
    >
    > I'm not saying there is no such thing. Its quite likely that there are
    > valuable notions that can rightly be called new age, but it might
    > interesting to see if you can find anything that isn't reactionary.
    >
    > Good luck,
    > dmb
    >
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