From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jan 18 2005 - 06:24:30 GMT
Platt: This seems rather odd since
those on the opposite side of the political spectrum often speak of their
love, caring, and compassion towards all, not to mention their tolerance
and sensitivity to the thoughts and feelings of others.
-But such hypocrisy isn't my main concern-
Poot: Well, I didn't mean for my statement to be an attack, or a gesture
equal to something un-caring.
Platt: Time and again I've had
to point out the ad hominem nature of many responses to my questioning of
leftist ideas, and lately there have been appeals to such authorities as a
singing group called the Beatles and a comedian named Bill Hicks.
Poot: A hypocritical dislike I have, is the use of quotes too frequently,
but since this topic is addressed, here is another comment.
Why could we not consider Bill Hicks opinions/statements on an equal level
of respect, to those of an "established" newspaper? Can you surely say that
one is more right than the other?
A possible experiment to see a change in discussions, would be to exempt
quotes for a little while. Only the thoughts of those who are the ones
typing them. just an idea.
Platt: Another technique is to use a singular occurrence of anecdotal
evidence to
prove a point (When I was sick socialized medicine saved my life.)
Poot: So far, in my life, I have experienced life both in a privatized
system (though more briefly) and public. Could you say the same for
yourself? I do not use the single occurences of myself, but also of my
close and extended relations. It is much more extensive than you may
imagine (unfortunately). But rather than provide 50 examples, I spoke from
personal experience.
Platt: while ignoring evidence compiled by a broad range of study. (The NHS
has a
severe shortage of capacity, directly costing the lives of tens of
thousands of patients a year. Source: The Guardian.)
Poot: While ignoring evidence compiled by a broad range of study. However,
the study was only directed at analyzing the NHS. I wonder what a study
would conclude, once a study was compiled on the medical system in the U.S.
Yes, waiting times are much less, there are many more doctors. However, it
is those who cannot afford to even use the medical system who are at a
disadvantage.
Platt: Peter to rescue poor Paul from the
consequences of his bad decisions.
Poot: Some people are born into poverty/disadvantage. Yes , it is
natural, but it is in very many cases, this is not the result of bad
decisions. (I . E. born into poverty)
It just seems obvious to me, that in your daily life, you do not really come
into heavy contact with lower-class citizens of wherever you live/work.
Platt:Finally, there's the implication, sometimes obviously stated, that if
your
political view isn’t leftist,
I have never used the terms "left-ist" or "right-wing" and retain a strong
dislike of such broad labels.
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