From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Tue Jan 18 2005 - 15:01:44 GMT
Platt - I don't know why I bother ... all you do is score points and
deliberately miss mine.
(Did you just fail to see the word "exclusive" or choose to ignore it ?)
I am well aware of Pirsig's words as you know.
Also well aware he's an imperfect human, like me and like you.
Nowhere in that thread / quote did I mention objecting to "reason"
(See rather more constructive correspondence with Matt including my view of
needing a wider definition of reason.)
What I object to is hyper-rationalism
The assumption that the sole basis of reason or cogent argument is logic (or
exclusively objective logical positivism).
Platt
"All you need is Logic, la la la la la,
Laa laa laa lah, la la la laah, Logic is all you need,"
... repeat to fade.
So sad.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: MD The Long & Winding Road
> Ian ...
>
>> If you see love as "down" relative to logic (or cogent argument as you
>> call
>> it) then that is a pity. I repeatedly refuse to stoop exclusively to
>> logic
>> to explain myself, but simply express sympathy for you and your ilk. And
>> by
>> your ilk, I really do not care whether your politics are left or right,
>> but
>> more whether you are hidebound by authoritarian rules of certainty. My
>> objection is to conservative with a small "c" at the expense of dynamic
>> with a captial "Q" I live in hope that one day you might address that
>> point
>> in debate.
>
> By your definition, Pirsig is hidebound. His entire metaphysics is based
> on reason, leading to logical moral judgments. He writes:
>
> "We're at last dealing with morals on the basis of reason. We can now
> deduce codes based on evolution that analyze moral arguments with greater
> precision than before." (Lila, 13)
>
> Furthermore, your dependence on feelings and emotions is, as Pirsig points
> out, is a regression back to the biological level:
>
> "The MOQ sees emotions as a biological response to quality and not the
> same thing as quality." (LC, #141)
>
> I think this addresses your point rather well.
>
> Platt
>
>
>
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