From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Jan 18 2005 - 20:16:39 GMT
Hi MSH,
> On 17 Jan 2005 at 10:15, Platt Holden wrote:
>
> Thanks for making my point--the NY Times is not to be trusted as a
> credible source.
>
> msh says:
> Ah, but whether or not the Times (or CBS) can be trusted is not the
> issue. One can find some accurate reporting in just about any
> publication. What needs clarification is how one goes about
> determining when a report has high quality. This is where a wide
> variety of outside source verification is crucial. This in turn is
> why Platt's example of Goldberg's books is unconvincing. These books offer
> nothing to corroborate the author's opinions: no notes, no internal memos,
> no references, nothing even approximating legitimate research. There is no
> way to verify that his opinions are anything more than a vague web of
> anecdotes, hearsay, and unsupported generalizations stemming from some
> personal ax-grinding.
I guess this puts Zen and LIla out of bounds as nowhere do I find in them
notes, internal memos, references, or anything even approximating
legitimate research. Likewise your supposed evidence of non-liberal bias
in the major media due to their need to make a profits amounts to little
more than fanciful speculation, like your notion of how the NY Times would
report a proposed tax on BMW's to fund a public transit system. Further,
when I cite individuals who are part of the system admitting there's a
bias, you do not respond with any eye-witness evidence to the contrary,
but simply, again without evidence and in the usual liberal ad hominem
mode, assert their motives are suspect.
I suppose this way of presenting an argument meets Ian's standard of
"truth through conversation," but hardly meets your own standard of a wide
variety of outside source verification.
But, not to worry. I enjoy your fanciful speculations as much as the next
guy. If you start with the premise that profit-making is evil, all sorts
of entertaining Twilight Zone scenarios will emerge.
All thoughtful feedback will be cherished, as usual.
Platt
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