From: Nick Clair (nclair@webxsol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 25 2005 - 14:14:40 GMT
Now you're scaring me Gav
You're right. For thousands of years they could convince us that we need
masters. It doesn't sound as hard as you think it would be. All you have to
do is convince one generation and they will pass it down to their children
and their children and so on.
When you are a child you are constantly looking at things and trying to
figure out your own reality. Your parents, friends, teachers, and everyone
else in your environment help you understand that reality by explaining
things to you. Anything that you "know" but didn't figure out for yourself
was told to you somewhere down the line and you believed it.
If someone has the power to trick us into thinking we need rulers then they
can do a lot more than that. History is just told to us. I have no personal
evidence that any history, even my own memories, really existed. All I can
be sure of is this very moment. And I can't even be sure of that because I'm
relying on my senses to explain it to me. If they decided to lie or
misinterpret then my reality may be false.
I have to trust someone sometimes or else I'll just sit in my room looking
around trying to decided what is really there and what isn't. I trust my
senses then I start trusting the people who build my reality.
Africa, for example, is a very "real" part of my world, part of my reality.
I walk around every second of every day with a firm belief that Africa
exists. How can I be so sure if I've never been there or seen it? People
tell me it's there then they prove it by showing a drawing with a large
green blob is labeled "Africa" and that's all the proof I need. That's all
the proof anyone needs.
If I told you there was a magical land of ferries just south of England and
then drew a little map showing an island south of England labeled "Ferry
Island" you wouldn't believe me. But I offered just as much proof as the
rest of the world offered when they convinced you that there is a place
called Africa.
If democracy is not true, if the world is run by secret societies, then my
trust in the people who conned me will dissolve. If the world lied to me
about who really controls things then what else can it lie about? Maybe
there is no "Africa". How would I know? I only know because I trust the same
people who told me that the people run the government. Now I can only
believe my senses which make my reality very small. And if I ever find out
my senses lied to me ( and I'm not sure how since my senses would have to
tell me that they lied in the first place ) then I would have nothing at
all.
If you can't trust the people who create your reality then you are left
without a reality. That is scary.
Have a pleasant day.
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: MD newsflash: it's all a con
i think i need to reply to adam and nick's very
reasonable points.
firstly nick:
i wasn't just talking about 'democracy'. i am actually
an ardent fan of direct democracy: in the family,
school, workplace, community, but the concept of
democracy that we are actually talking of here is
really 'representative oligarchy', the modern western
mode of government, which is i believe a con, first
and foremost cos it ain't democratic (ie the people do
not rule themsleves).
you may think that i am splitting hairs but i think
reclaiming the actual meaning of the word is necessary
if we are to use it at all, otherwise we are just
dealing in propaganda.
so i don't think democracy is a con; i think
representative oligarchies are a con (regardless of
the ideologies involved).
i had the pleasure recently of living in an autonomous
community in southern spain for a month. this village
of mostly british expats was more or less independent
of the state apparatus, like the anarchist spanish had
been 70 years earlier in the same region. for two
years or so, in the 30s, whole tracts of spain were
autonomous and truly democratic. no
gods/kings/politicians lorded over them. unfortunately
(due to the curious cooperation of supposedly
oppositional ideologues from germany and russia) it
didn't last and over the next four decades most of the
radicals were rooted out and executed. strange now
that their spirit lives on in these ex-pat brits,
escapees themselves from the banal tyranny in their
own homeland.
the point: we have *never* needed politicians, kings
or popes. to be ruled is to be a slave. slavery is
slavery no matter how you dress it up. worst of all
perhaps is the willing slave. doesn't the english
anthem make you sick? 'long to reign over us...'
now the really impressive bit is the masterful
trickery necessary to convince 99.99% of humanity, for
thousands of years, that you *do* need masters.
how has it been pulled off? here we get to adam:
there is only one way to pull such an amazing feat:
you have to control reality. you have to have a
monopoly on reality and pump that sole reality into
the 'cattle' consistently, lest they start to wake up
and construct their own. of course cracks always
appear in this monoreality and lately these cracks
have widened, due to the internet for one.
controlling reality is a big task and requires a
shitload of coordination. this is where the secret
societies like the masons come in...it is quite
simple: if you have a hierarchical (pyramidal) power
structure (and we always have) then you need only
control the very top people in diverse areas to
control reality. eg nearly all US presidents, from
washington onwards, have been masons.
there is a great site called freemasonry watch that is
worth checking out. freemasonry traces it roots to
ancient egypt and perhaps beyond.
which brings me to another point: due to the efficacy
of this method of reality control we know virtually
nothing about our own history pre ancient greece. the
pagan cultures and knowledge of europe for instance we
are largely ignorant of. all we do know is that they
knew a lot that we don't. when pagan wisdom started to
seep back into the culture action had to be
taken...burn them witches!
one of the really good things about all this is that
you start to realise that we know very little at all
because our reality has been so blinkered. history,
magic, science, astrology etc is all there like a new
continent waiting to be (re)discovered.
bedtime.
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