From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Feb 02 2003 - 00:28:17 GMT
Sam, Wim and all:
Sam wrote:
What sort of pattern does Hussein represent? He is a fascist dictator -
therefore the leader of a social pattern of value (the Iraqi nation); yet
clearly his underlying motivation is biological, in quite a specific way:
the preservation of the Takriti clan and their control of the resources of
Iraq. So we have a social pattern controlled by biological values.
DMB says:
How do you figure? The pursuit of wealth and power are social level values,
not biological. Surely this includes the control of oil and the preservation
of a tribe's dominance. I think you've confused vice crimes with other kinds
of crimes. There are different kinds of crimes because there are different
kinds of laws. Intellectual property theft, for example, is not in the same
class as vice crimes like prostitution or drug abuse. See? But the Iraqi
leader is quite the fascist. We certainly agree on that.
Sam wrote:
So: to the present context. The United Nations has the formal (not often
substantial) role of world policeman - the soldier with his gun on which the
continued existence of the community of nations depends.
DMB says:
This is your biggest mistake. Calling the UN a "world policeman" does not
turn that organization into a vice cop. The UN represents intellectual
control of society. Vice cops are social and they keep biology at bay, but
the UN keeps nations at bay. International organizations and agreements are
supposed to keep the Giant from its usual acts of exploitation and genocide.
This is a HUGE difference. This mistake has led to some extremely dubious
conclusions.
Sam wrote:
I never thought that I'd sound like a conservative columnist, but that seems
to me the fundamental issue.
DMB says:
It would surprise me if a priest and a conservative columnist DID NOT sound
alike. Sorry if that offends you, but its only consistent with what the MOQ
would predict and so it seems worth pointing out.
Don't forget that Bush involved the UN only very reluctantly and keeps on
saying that he'd be quite willing to go to war inspite of what the UN says.
He's thumbed his nose at every international organization, treaty and law
that has come near him. He supported the attempted coup in Venezula just
last April and pretty clearly did so because he cares more about their oil
than their constitution or their democracy. His foreign policies only make
sense in terms of oil. And don't forget that Bush has under his control more
weapons of mass destruction than anyone in the world, by far. Watching him
guide the USA is like watching a ten year old child drive a gasoline truck
down the side of a mountian. I think his policies are extremely dangerous,
and because he's so much closer and has so much more power, he scares me
more than even Sodamn Insane.
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