RE: MD Nihilism (Punk)

From: MarshaV (marshalz@charter.net)
Date: Mon Feb 28 2005 - 20:54:53 GMT

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    Hi Max,

    I think your definition and commentary is correct. It doesn't contain the
    "therefore existence is senseless and useless".

    I think even Pirsig stated he wasn't sure he should be writing a
    metaphysics. Why was that???

    Emptiness and nothingness are okay, but nihilism is tossed like a hot
    potato. I think it could be advantageous to explore this concept. Of
    course it is an exaggeration. If this fact can be accepted, it might be a
    great place to start digging to see what is behind it, and how it compares
    to "emptiness and nothingness".

    Marsha

    At 11:50 AM 2/28/2005 -0700, you wrote:
    >Howdy,
    >
    >"Nihilism"
    >
    >I think that it is important to follow this discussion with a boiled down
    >understanding of the term: nihilism is essentially "anti-foundationalism."
    >Nietzsche's philosophy (precluding the term) is a movement away from
    >foundational institutions such as Judeo-Christian 'religion,' science
    >(including scholarship in general), and metaphysical philosophy beginning
    >with Plato. I have understood that this subversive view of foundational
    >thinking by Nietzsche is by and large a 'hyperbolic' view of idealism.
    >
    >He rebukes these foundations of western thought (religion, science and
    >philosophy) essentially because for him all knowledge is 'created' and
    >'invented.' For him, there is no original knowledge only interpretation,
    >which is subjective.
    >
    >Anti-foundational thinking is by nature "subversive," thus the term
    >'nihilism.' In many ways this view of nihilism is freeing. I believe
    >nihilism promotes aesthetic living rather than living according to set
    >ideologies. It is a shame that nihilism has been metonymically connected
    >to such sad and terrible ideas such as Nazism (and maybe, for some, 'punk'
    >ideology).
    >
    >I choose to believe this is nihilism.
    >
    >Thanks, Max
    >
    >(I want to apologize to Arlo. He responded to a post I made that I didn't
    >respond to. I just started the first full time job I've had since 1994.
    >What a shock! Sometimes 'life moves so fast I have trouble keeping track
    >of it'.)
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