Re: MD Pure experience and the Kantian problematic

From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun Mar 13 2005 - 22:57:00 GMT

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    On Thursday 10 March 2005 7:49 PM Scott writes to Sam;

    Scott:

    MacIntyre's book impressed me, but I'm not sure if there isn't a "fourth
    way". While I can accept his rejection of the encyclopedic and genealogical
    approaches, I cannot fully accept the traditional approach either. Just
    knowing that one is working within a tradition -- that one has the option to
    be working in others -- changes things.

    Hi Scott and Sam:

    I follow your conversation for a while. Then, the scare quotes around
    "fourth way" distract me. I assume *encyclopedic*, *genealogical* and
    *traditional* are not analogues to *organic*, *social*, and *intellectual*.
    *Awareness* or *consciousness* is not on the list?

    Joe

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@localnet.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:59 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Pure experience and the Kantian problematic

    > Sam,
    >
    > Sam said:
    > I saw that you've been reading MacIntyre recently. His understanding of a
    > tradition is definitely part of how I understand things. But I wanted to
    > pick up on your comment about things changing in our present context, that
    > things are becoming different. I have a lot of sympathy with that. I don't
    > know if you're a fan of Frank Herbert's Dune sequence, but his vision of
    > an
    > 'Orange Catholic Bible', ie we end up with one religion, uniting elements
    > of
    > all in syncretistic fashion is something which I suspect may well happen
    > (and be of high Quality).
    >
    > Scott:
    > MacIntyre's book impressed me, but I'm not sure if there isn't a "fourth
    > way". While I can accept his rejection of the encyclopedic and
    > genealogical
    > approaches, I cannot fully accept the traditional approach either. Just
    > knowing that one is working within a tradition -- that one has the option
    > to
    > be working in others -- changes things.
    >
    > I also doubt that the future of religion will be syncretistic. Rather, I
    > see
    > more pruning away than joining together. But that is just another guess.
    >
    > Sam said:
    > What I most disagree with in the discussion about mysticism and 'pure
    > experience' etc, is the Platonic notion that there has to be one common
    > factor between the different religions which serves as the definition of a
    > "mystical experience". I think that is a profoundly SOM interpretation.
    > And
    > my rejection of that isn't due to special pleading for Christian belief,
    > but
    > simply an acceptance of Wittgenstein's notion of family resemblance.
    >
    > Scott:
    > I agree, though noting resemblances is an important part of inquiry.
    > Although their backgrounds and vocabulary are quite different, there are
    > intriguing similarities between the Catholic Bernadette Roberts and the
    > I'm-not-sure-what Merrell-Wolff. Given the similarities, that leads one to
    > think one has data so that one can say something interesting,
    > metaphysically
    > or psychologically.
    >
    > Sam said:
    > So whilst I'm open to there being a new development of 'generic
    > mysticism',
    > I don't think it's going to correspond to the intellectual abstractions
    > from
    > religious belief that get batted around here every so often. I think it's
    > more likely to emerge slowly as an international cosmopolitan culture
    > starts
    > to put down deeper roots. In a couple of hundred years there will be a
    > dominant "world religion", which will be a reformed Modernism - at least I
    > think so.
    >
    > Scott:
    > On the last point I hope you're wrong :) I hope for a wholesale rejection
    > of
    > Modernism, though obviously not a simple return to the pre-Modern.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    >
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