From: RycheWorld@aol.com
Date: Sun Mar 20 2005 - 23:39:35 GMT
Platt,
As this topic has been discussed before, I will chime in and disagree
with you regarding rock-n-roll music.
I will admit that there is much hip-hop/rock/progressive/grunge,
etc...that is extremely sexually oriented. BUT...not all of it is. Therefore, if you
"label" one category as degenerate because of a few, then you must label
ALL. That means that Bolero is sexual as "Classical" is degenerate!
My other thoughts are that if (any kind of) music is sexual in
theme/nature...so what? To me, that's like saying that our biological desire for
sexual interactions is only justified if it is in accordance with some kind of
standard practice. Or maybe you're implying that our sexual desires between two
consenting persons should be quelled? Please don't think any person(s) being
sexually violated is alright, quite the contrary. But if my girlfriend and I
want to listen to heavy metal music while being somewhat aggressive with
sharing intercourse then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Also, I would be willing to listen to one of your "non-sexual" classical
albums if you would agree to listen to one of mine. I suggest Pink Floyd's
"The Final Cut". try that one and then tell me rock music is all about the
sexual innuendo's that promote degeneracy.
Dan H
In a message dated 3/20/2005 3:51:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ajb102@psu.edu writes:
Erin wrote:
> My point was that promosicuity was around long before rock-n-roll. To say
whether rock-n-roll has led to increased promiscuity is hard because then it
was all hush hush and now it is more open. Has it increased or are people
just
admitting to it now? I wonder if somebody who constantly talks about
promiscuous sex (positively or negatively) is degenerative? I think anything
can be degenerative if you don't have control over it---so I don't think I
agree with focusing on just one thing obsessively. If a priest imagines
molesting boys---is it not degenerative until he actuallys does it? If it
is
then how is your obsession with promiscuity also not degenerative?
Arlo says:
Great point, Erin. And Kudos for not falling prey to his attempted rhetorical
shift with you as well. You had explicity stated your concern with small
children experiencing adult sexual themes, a concern I share with you and
most
other people. Platt rejoined with a (surprise!) shift to indicate you were
supporting his prudish condemnation of sexual themes "in toto".
In many ways, Platt reminds me of the Jimmy Swaggarts and such ilk, who spend
all their time trumpeting the immorality and condemnation of sex, only to
reveal themselves to be the grandest exemplars of that which they condemn
(e.g., Swaggart's fondness for banging prositutes). The old adage is true
more
often than not, we condem most in others that which we see in ourselves.
Platt's obsession with "sex and promiscuity" is quite degenerative, and
really
speaks volumes.
But, with music, Erin, you just watch. Despite its more obvious veneer of
being
concerned soley with sex, there is a greater foundation to his analytic
knifing
than he has yet to state explicity.
For if it was truly "sex", promoting promiscuity and "the beat of sexual
intercourse", he would condemn with as much vehemence the sexually themed
songs
of Peggy Lee, Ravel's Bolero (which, as Bloom stated, is a sexually beat
song),
and the crooning of Sinatra (which drove countless teens to get laid back
then). Instead he exempts them for the same reasons he then turns and uses to
justify condemnation of "rock" in another post. But this is only
contradictory
if you don't see the higher-level "division" Platt is making.
It's not hard to guess what this "division" of Platt's really is. As I
stated,
it's patently obvious to anyone looking for underlying relation between the
music he condemns and the music he exempts.
Arlo
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