From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Mar 26 2005 - 16:30:54 GMT
Platt,
I agree a lot of rock-n-roll songs are associated to sex but still can't agree calling "the beat" of rock-n-roll sexual (what is 'the beat' that they ALL share?). Rock-n-roll is more than just the beat--- If it was just "the beat" why bother spending so much money on all the other hoopla to get a sexual message across?
This kind of reminds me the part of ZAMM where Pirsig talks about when people ask why he smokes---there is a difference between controlling the biological level and eliminating it.
When I listen to many rock-n-roll songs it might not be high intellecutal activity (other songs like Dylan and Leonard Cohen really make me think so not so quick to agree there) BUT we ALL enjoy biolgoical activities that are not intellectually stimulating . Why pick one as being the root of degenercy in America?
When other people bring up what they think is degeneracy in America you try to make them out to be anti-America or secret commies but rock-n-roll seems to be a big root of America so.......................................
What makes NYC the most dynamic place on earth may have a bit to do with rock-n-roll don't you think?
Erin
Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
All:
Just to counter Arlo’s accusation that Ham and are alone in determining
rock is about sex . . .
"That's what rock is all about -sex with a 100 megaton bomb, the beat." --
Gene Simmons of the rock group Kiss
"Sex has been rock music's number one message since the medium was born." -
- "Why Knock Rock?"
"Rock n' roll is all sex. One hundred percent sex." -- Debbie Harry of the
rock band Blondie.
"Rock n' roll is 99 percent sex." -- John Oates of the rock duo Hall and
Oates
"When you're in a certain frame of mind, particularly sexually-oriented,
there's nothing better than rock and roll because that's where most of the
performers are at." -- Aerosmith's manager
"Rock music is sex and you have to hit them (teenagers) in the face with
it." -- Andrew Oldham, manager of the Rolling Stones
"Rock n' roll is sex. Real rock n' roll isn't based on cerebral thoughts.
It's based on one's lower nature." -- Paul Stanley
"Rock is the total celebration of the physical." -- Ted Nugent
In dancing to rock, " the pelvis is crucial." -- "Time" magazine
. . . or that rock has a sexual beat . . .:
"Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body's rhythms" -- Frank
Zappa of the Mothers of Invention
"An incessant beat does erode a sense of responsibility in much the same
way as alcohol does. You feel in the grip of a relentless stream of sound
to which something very basic and primitive in human nature responds." --
David Winter, "New Singer, New Song"
"We respond to the materiality of rock's sounds, and the rock experience
is essentially erotic." -- Simon Frith, "Sound Effects"
Mostly, the appeal is it's relentless beat. It is perhaps the most kinetic
sound since the tom-tom or the jungle drum. Its appeal, one 16-year-old
girl frankly admits, 'is sex-but don't print that; my mother would hit
me.'" -- "Time" magazine
. . . or that rock is degenerate . . .
"Rock and roll's corrupt degenerate lifestyle if fueled by the language of
a certain kind of music." -- Leonard Seidel, "Face the Music"
"At the very least, rock is turning sex into something casual." -- James
Conner, Newsweek
"Violence and energy-and that's really what rock & roll's all about" --
Mick Jagger
"(Rock) is by nature a music of demonic rebellion and protest. Drugs and
sex are its arsenal." -- David Noebel, "The Legacy of John Lennon
"The themes of rock n' roll include rebellion, homosexuality, satanism,
the occult, drugs, murder, suicide, incest, vulgarity, sadomasochism, anti-
patriotism and above all, free sex." -- Fletcher Brothers
"Rock n' roll is pagan and primitive, and very jungle, and that's how it
should be! The moment it stops being those things, it's dead . . . the
true meaning of rock . . . is sex, subversion and style." -- Malcolm
McLaren, punk rock manager
"You don't listen to rock; it baptizes you with a liturgy of sex, drugs,
perversion and the occult." -- Bo Larson, "Rock"
"These are the three great lyrical themes (of rock): sex, hate and a
swarmy, hypocritical version of brotherly love." -- Allan Bloom
Of course, according to Arlo, anyone with any of the views expressed above
is narcissistic, obsessive, idiotic, vapid, foolish, nonsensical,
laughable, tricky, stupid and otherwise deserving of contempt. Be not
surprised -- ad hominem argument comes naturally to those on the left.
Platt
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