From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 28 2005 - 14:34:27 BST
Well, I've got 3 minutes before leaving for work.
Someone: There are many roots of degeneracy in America. Rock is just one.
The
largest root Pirsig describes in detail in Chapter 24 of Lila -- the
amorality of SOM..
Poot:
This really, really peeves me. When a generalizing statement like this is
made, it is said in the assumption that there is "correctness" to this view.
bull$$$$.
Quote time magazine? TIME??? I stopped reading time magazine when i was 13
because it was garbage (although I still find the numbers section
interesting). never the less citing 2 sources as proof , and although I
give zappa credit for originality....its not my thing.
rock was the next step in evolution. the combined artistic efforts of 2+
people makes for very dynamic possibilities.
Anywho, times up though I still have lots to say. Anyone willing to
challenge their own viewpoint in this issue, should consider the following
(only 30 secs left)
Watch: Pink FLoyd, THE WALL. WATCH THIS.
Listen: group: yes album: relayer (or close to the edge)
tell me that is degenerate and ill turn your head forwards again.
poot
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
>Subject: Re: MD Nihilism (Punk)
>Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:56:15 -0500
>
>Erin:
>
> > Platt,
> >
> > I agree a lot of rock-n-roll songs are associated to sex but still can't
> > agree calling "the beat" of rock-n-roll sexual (what is 'the beat' that
> > they ALL share?).
>
>I refer you to the quotes about the rock beat that I shared in a recent
>post. (See below)
>
> > Rock-n-roll is more than just the beat--- If it was
> > just "the beat" why bother spending so much money on all the other
>hoopla
> > to get a sexual message across?
>
>Nobody every claimed that rock was just the beat.
>
> > This kind of reminds me the part of ZAMM
> > where Pirsig talks about when people ask why he smokes---there is a
> > difference between controlling the biological level and eliminating it.
> > When I listen to many rock-n-roll songs it might not be high
>intellecutal
> > activity (other songs like Dylan and Leonard Cohen really make me think
>so
> > not so quick to agree there) BUT we ALL enjoy biolgoical activities
>that
> > are not intellectually stimulating . Why pick one as being the root of
> > degenercy in America?
>
>There are many roots of degeneracy in America. Rock is just one. The
>largest root Pirsig describes in detail in Chapter 24 of Lila -- the
>amorality of SOM..
>
> > What makes NYC the most dynamic place on earth may have a bit to do with
> > rock-n-roll don't you think?
>
>You'll have to explain the special connection you see between rock and
>NYC.
>
>Platt
>
> > "Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body's rhythms" -- Frank
>Zappa
> > of the Mothers of Invention
> >
> > "An incessant beat does erode a sense of responsibility in much the same
> > way as alcohol does. You feel in the grip of a relentless stream of
>sound
> > to which something very basic and primitive in human nature responds."
>--
> > David Winter, "New Singer, New Song"
> >
> > "We respond to the materiality of rock's sounds, and the rock experience
>is
> > essentially erotic." -- Simon Frith, "Sound Effects"
> >
> > Mostly, the appeal is it's relentless beat. It is perhaps the most
>kinetic
> > sound since the tom-tom or the jungle drum. Its appeal, one 16-year-old
> > girl frankly admits, 'is sex-but don't print that; my mother would hit
> > me.'" -- "Time" magazine
>
>
>
>
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