Re: MD Shiavo

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Apr 01 2005 - 00:39:58 BST

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    Rich,

    You said, P:irsig said ...
    "the senseless unpatterned state (caused by shock therapy) is a
    valuable state of existence."

    I say, (as Pirsig intended) only if you can bring it to bear on "real"
    life afterwards.

    The only possible merit in Sciavo's case is if you believe in some
    superrnatural "life" after brain death other than PVS.

    Ian

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:33:09 -0800 (PST), Richard Loggins
    <brloggins@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Friends,
    >
    > Platt noted that 'Shock treatments can be beneficial
    > as Pirsig points out in Chap. 30 of
    > Lila. Not only does he state that shock treatments
    > "work," but that "...the senseless unpatterned state
    > (caused by shock therapy) is a valuable state of
    > existence." '
    >
    > The idea that a 'senseless unpatterned state is a
    > valuable state of existence' makes me wonder about
    > Terry Shiavo. Whose to say that she was'nt in a
    > perfect state of bliss until they pulled the tube and
    > killed her. Her brain scans showed mostly a soup of
    > fluids but as Pirsig points out in Lila, Quality has
    > never been found in the brain. Social and intellectual
    > patterns are not a mere extension from the physical,
    > but are independant of it. Until the SOM that
    > infultrates our laws is superseded by Quality, we will
    > have to despair the Quality-less decisions of our
    > policital systems. May she be blessed with Quality
    > even in death, tho life be better.
    > Rich
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