MD: SOM

From: max demian (oikoumenist@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Apr 07 2005 - 17:08:35 BST

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    I am embarrassed to ask but what does SOM mean? I’ve been an
    observer-participant of this for awhile but haven’t figured. What is its
    definition and what does it mean?

    Your servant,

    Max

    >From: "Ant McWatt" <antmcwatt@hotmail.co.uk>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: MD Contradictions
    >Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 04:10:42 +0000
    >
    >David Buchanan quoted Ken Wilber April 2nd 2005:
    >
    >"This is why postmodern pluralist have always had difficulty explaining why
    >we should reject the Nazis and the KKK - if all stances are equal, why not
    >embrace them? A perspectival madness. Thus, under the important truths of
    >relativism, pluralism and cultural diversity, postmodernism opened up the
    >world to a richness of multiple voices, but then stood back to watch the
    >multiple voices degenerate into a Tower of Babel, each voice claiming to be
    >its own validity, yet few of them actually honoring the values of others.”
    >
    >David then stated:
    >
    >“This is the point I was getting at in saying that Pirsig accepts these
    >postmodern insights but doesn't just leave it hanging there. And here maybe
    >you can see what I mean by the suggestion that postmodernism hasn't really
    >escaped SOM. It rejects objectivity in favor of subjectivity, rejects the
    >myth of the given in favor of sheer interpretation. It doesn't get us out
    >of that box so much as move us to the opposite corner of the box. And more
    >than that, it does not solve the problems of modernity so much as
    >exaggerate them. Satanists think they have utterly rejected Christianity
    >but have in fact only embraced its mirror image.”
    >
    >Ant McWatt comments:
    >
    >David,
    >
    >Thank you very much for highlighting this very important point.
    >
    >Gavin Gee-Clough mentioned to me some time ago that students in Australian
    >philosophy classes were being fed these post-modernist insights (which are
    >fine as far as they go) but being left in a state of existential angst.
    >The MOQ is, of course, valuable in this regards as it shifts our
    >metaphysical foundations from the single truth of modernism to the gradable
    >truths of the Good. As the MOQ indicates, many truths do not entail that
    >“anything goes” or that you have to become a victim of existential angst.
    >Of course, Rorty & co overlook the Good (largely down to their parochial
    >world view) so lead their supporters up the proverbial river without a
    >paddle.
    >
    >I also note that in his last post (of April 5th) to you, Matt has also
    >completely avoided your point that a “person has to be fairly oblivious to
    >deny the connection between philosophy and politics. I think that anyone
    >who keeps up with current events could hardly fail to notice that
    >contemporary philosophy is overwhelmingly political… Being against the
    >postmodern movement that presently dominates our institutions of higher
    >learning has real cash value in our society. It’s central to the culture
    >wars so that the Republican Party more or less defines itself by being
    >against everything you're pushing.”
    >
    >Again, this is another reason why Rorty needs to be rejected out-of-hand.
    >As I mention in my PhD thesis this Ostrich approach to politics by
    >philosophers is naive and dangerous and I particularly dislike Rorty for
    >putting such ideas in young people when they should be at the most
    >outspoken and radical stage in their lives.
    >
    >David Buchanan further stated April 2nd 2005:
    >
    >“You can choose to believe that these objections are only based on a
    >misunderstanding, but at least I have tried to show you specifically what
    >it is that you are not seeing. And I would point out that I am not the only
    >critic of this stance. As Ant mentioned, there is Pine for starters.”
    >
    >Unfortunately, David, it appears that over a year after being introduced to
    >Professor Ronald Pine and his mentor Larry Laudan, there is still no
    >indication that Matt has read their texts (or my later suggestion of
    >Professor David E. Cooper’s excellent text “The Measure of Things”) which
    >critique post-modernism. I think any genuine supporter of Rorty would
    >examine the arguments of these professional critics carefully and attempt
    >to provide a response to them. It’s one thing to present the ideas of
    >Rorty to a non-professional Discussion group devoted to another
    >philosopher, it’s another thing to deal with critics who have an in-depth
    >interest in the subject. As I noticed Rorty comes off very badly with the
    >latter.
    >
    >Anyway, keep up the good work, David, it’s very much appreciated.
    >
    >Best wishes,
    >
    >Anthony.
    >
    >
    >“Instead of just deconstructing the power structures of the past, there has
    >to be a construction project too. Instead of declaring an end to
    >philosophy, we ought to be putting the pieces back together. I think this
    >is what Pirsig, Wilber and others are trying to do. See, one need not be a
    >right-wing geezer crank. There is a honest to goodness philosophical case
    >to be made against this kind of paralyzing nihilism.” (David Buchanan,
    >April 2nd 2005)
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