Re: MD Access to Quality

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Thu Apr 07 2005 - 23:59:49 BST

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    Hi Platt,

    I knew this one would smoke you out. I was starting to worry about
    you. :-)

    On 7 Apr 2005 at 15:46, Platt Holden wrote:

    > msh says:
    > This is an old can that's been kicked around the block, here, a
    > dozen times. There's a huge difference between pragmatic
    acceptance
    > of scientific or metaphysical principles, and faith-based,
    > fear-driven acceptance of religious beliefs. To deliberately
    > conflate the two as "faith-based" is simply dishonest and
    > non-productive.

    platt:
    There's nothing dishonest or non-productive about it, especially
    considering the pragmatic results of Pope John II's religious faith,
    not to mention the faith of millions across the globe.

    msh:
    Let's set aside for the moment the fact that not every Catholic, not
    to mention the world's 5.5 billion non-Catholics, is impressed with
    the late Pope's pragmatic results; in fact, his policies were viewed
    by millions of Catholics as extremely repressive,

    Hear's the deal. No one knows if the laws of physics apply in every
    corner of the universe. Scientists assume they do in order to land
    spacecraft on distant moons. The fact they are able to land
    spacecraft on distant moons is, in turn, very strong evidence of the
    validity of their principles. If making these assumptions resulted
    in constant failure, the assumptions would quickly be changed. This
    is what is meant by the pragmatic acceptance of scientific
    principles.

    Is one's belief in God or Heaven arrived at in the same manner? Are
    such beliefs altered, or dropped, in light of contradictory
    evidence?

    platt:
    If anything, secular demonization of religious belief is fear-based
    and fear-driven by those who desperately wish to claim the moral high
    ground for themselves.

    msh:
    This is pure paranoiac delusion, inspired by a ton of unsupported
    ideas and facts not in evidence. My experience has been that people
    who lead secular lives give little or no thought to those who don't,
    much less take the time to "demonize" them. Even a slightly
    objective look at human interactions reveals far less tolerance, far
    more moral self-righteousness, and a much higher tendency to
    interfere in the lives of others, on the religious side of the
    equation.

    platt:
    Finally, given science's faith in the principle that the whole
    universe arose from nothing, resurrection seems infinitely
    reasonable.

    msh says:
    Please name a scientist who has expressed his or her faith in this
    principle. A verifiable quote in context would be nice.

    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)

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