RE: MD Static and dynamic aspects of mysticism and religious expe rience

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Apr 09 2005 - 03:50:40 BST

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    Sam and all:

    I still have to read the rest of the posts in this thread, but wanted to
    answer one of your points before going home tonight...

    dmb said to Sam:
    ...but you seem to be insisting that very certain and specific static forms
    are required to complete the journey. These are the very forms that are
    broken. These are the forms that make up the debris and silt that Pirsig is
    talking about. In Lila he calls it clap trap.

    Sam Norton replied:
    Maybe they're broken for you, I don't think that means they're broken
    universally. What SQ rungs do you find useful? The ones I find useful are
    all the ones associated with the Christian path. What are yours?

    dmb says:
    Broken for me? C'mon Sam. I'm refering to a historical reality that occured
    before we were born and its not just a matter of taste. (I assume you
    understand that I am talking about the death of God. I'm talking about the
    problem we educated modern Westerners have in maintaining a belief in
    creation, virgin births, miracles, the ressurection, etc., etc..) The
    Catholic church, for example, is shrinking in the West for the very same
    reason that it is growing in Latin America, Africa and other non-Western
    cultures, where they just love to believe in visions and miracles. That's
    what I mean by broken.

    What static forms to I find useful in the process of discovery? This should
    not be a mystery to you, old friend. I love philosophy, comparative
    religion, mythology, psychology, and art. Considering the fact that just
    about everything that has ever been written can now be found with ease - and
    nobody is going to burn you at the stake for reading it - I find it
    impossible to choose a narrow path.

    Please feel free to offer a contrary view, but as far as I know, people who
    follow the Christian path exclusively find nothing but Christianity. I mean,
    do you know of anyone who has followed Christianity to find a more universal
    truth? Is there a Christian who reached the mountian top and said, "Gee,
    those Buddhist really have a good point."? Or anyting of the sort? Please
    take this in the spirit it was intended; I'm genuinely curious and yet very
    skeptical too.

    Thanks,
    dmb

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