From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Apr 10 2005 - 22:20:19 BST
Wim, Marsha and all MOQers:
Wim said to Marsha:
I sometimes DO deviate. I prefer to rename the 4th level 'symbolic level'
-following Pirsig's definition of the intellectual level in 'Lila's Child'-
and the 3rd level 'habitual level'. Those deviations are not relevant for
our discussion right now, however. I don't see them as a challenge, either.
It's rather a refinement: sharper definitions of Pirsig's levels.
Marsha replied:
To me, it seems that you change the language. That's confusing. I'm here
to get a deeper understanding of the MOQ. I'm a student of MOQ. If your
introducing your own, new and improved interpretation, you'll only confuse
me. I will reread the two Lila chapters, though, to see if that sheds some
light.
dmb says:
I agree with Marsha and would go even further. I'd say that it is not only
confusing, but that your "refinements" are actually incorrect in that they
contradict what Pirsig's MOQ is saying. Let's look at what you proposed
here, for example. You say that the social level is 'habitual' while the
intellectual level is 'symbolic'. But what is the American flag? What is a
crucifix? They are social level symbols. And how much sense does it make to
say the social level is habitual in light of biological addictions or the
habitual way our minds interpret experience? See? These assertions are a
wrench in the gears. It redraws the lines and alters the most basic
structure.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against refinements or improvements. Its just
that I haven't yet seen any.
Thanks,
dmb
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