Re: MD Scientific beliefs and religious faith

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Apr 11 2005 - 17:05:17 BST

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    Marsha - I'm not sure, but I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

    I'm wanting to explore with Mark the differences and similarities between a
    belief to do with faith, and a belief to do with science. The claim that
    Jesus is the Son of God is a belief which is a question of faith. It is a
    core part of a developed belief system. It has been thought through by some
    of the greatest minds of our civilisation. Classically speaking, it is
    described as a truth unavailable to the unaided reason. In other words, you
    can't get to belief that Jesus is the Son of God through the application of
    reasoned argument. (NB that's not the same as saying that it is irrational,
    but I'm sure we'll come on to that).

    So far as I am aware Tinkerbell is the creation of JM Barrie in his stories
    about Peter Pan. It's not part of a developed belief system that shapes
    people's lives, nor have some of the greatest minds in our civilisation
    given a great deal of time to talking about her. Are you seriously
    suggesting that believing that Tinkerbell resides in Neverland is analogous
    to the belief that Jesus is the Son of God?

    I can't tell if you're being facetious and teasing or are just profoundly
    ignorant.

    Sam

    'Christianity is not a doctrine, not, I mean, a theory about what has
    happened and will happen to the human soul, but a description of something
    that actually takes place in human life. For 'consciousness of sin' is a
    real event and so are despair and salvation through faith. Those who speak
    of such things (Bunyan for instance) are simply describing what has happened
    to them, whatever gloss anyone may want to put on it.' (Wittgenstein)

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