From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Apr 11 2005 - 18:22:12 BST
Mark,
Having said nuff said, you can hopefully see that your generalisation
was an untruth.
You say you are a professional engineer (I don't intend to argue)
You say "All engineers care about is outcome"
You post thoughtful mails to a philosophical forum, about why people
hold beliefs and act upon them, demonstrating that you, an engineer,
do care about the assumptions in decisions.
Those three statements cannot all be true.
Ian
On Apr 12, 2005 1:05 AM, ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK Mark, nuff said.
> Ian
>
> On Apr 11, 2005 6:48 PM, Mark Steven Heyman
> <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote:
> > On 11 Apr 2005 at 15:45, ian glendinning wrote:
> >
> > Mark, it was not a matter of "how well educated" - more a matter of
> > being specifically well qualified to speak as "an engineer" -
> > professional experience, with peer authority, not academic
> > qualification. That would be childish, I agree.
> >
> > msh:
> > Fair enough. I'm a software engineer, running my own business for
> > more than 22 years, which means not punching anyone else's timeclock.
> > I'd say that qualifies me as a professional. Now, can we stop the
> > pissing contest?
> >
> > ian:
> > I saw the insult the other way - towards engineers, but insult was
> > not my intent, so apologies for any offence.
> >
> > msh says:
> > My comment about engineers was anything but an insult, so if you took
> > it that way I owe YOU an apology. To me, one's willingness to alter
> > one's assumptions in order to solve problems is highly admirable.
> >
> > ian:
> > I was being serious in my point - science (and engineering) is not
> > "faith-based" in anything like the way "religion" is. It's
> > understanding and explanation based.
> >
> > msh:
> > My point, exactly. Which is why I was baffled by the condescending
> > tone in your previous response.
> >
> > ian:
> > Your caricature of "pragmatism" still seems just that.
> >
> > msh:
> > I was generalizing to make a point.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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