Re: MD scientific beliefs and religious faith

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Wed Apr 20 2005 - 20:16:33 BST

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    Hi Sam,

    Just time enough for a quick response...

    On 19 Apr 2005 at 16:47, Sam Norton wrote:

    In particular, I asked MSH if he could think of an example of science
    having 'solved' a problem in the third level of the MoQ (I'm not
    saying it hasn't, I just think the question could do with being
    thought about).

    msh says:
    If you consider health and standard of living issues as social
    problems, then sure, science has solved a tremendous number of
    problems. And I believe you could make the case for a number of
    similar issues, better airplanes, bridges, dams, flood control.

    But I suppose one could argue that these are really biological
    issues, not social, though I think a strong contradictory case can
    be built using the MOQ's Moral Hierarchy. Can Science, per say,
    solve social problems like redistribution of resources in a more
    equitable manner? Or provide a truly democratic economic system
    where everyone has an equal say in what's produced, and how? I'd
    say no, not in any extant socio-political arrangement, since science
    and technology are merely expensive tools.

    So, because Science is unable to solve social problems on it own,
    that is, without the approval of entrenched power, many problems are
    not solved and , in fact, Science is used in socially negative ways
    in order to better serve powerful interests.

    But it doesn't have to be this way. Although the hard sciences
    themselves can't directly apply to many social issues, the tools of
    Science, i.e., reason and evidence, CAN be applied to solving any
    kind of social problem, as long as power is equitably distributed,
    or, if this is unrealistic, as long as people in power can be
    persuaded by reason and evidence, and are truly motivated to act in
    the public's best interest.

    I know... we are a long way from having such leaders, so the
    struggle goes on.

    Best,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)

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