Re: MD scientific beliefs and religious faith

From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Apr 21 2005 - 07:13:47 BST

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    Sam

    Am I a pragmatist ?
    "Does the Pope sh*t in the woods ?"
    I'll say !

    Obligatory ? in the sense everybody seems to have to have one these
    days - an Einstein quote that is.

    Fantasy - I only used the word because your quote did. Inspiration,
    intuition, pre-congnitive experience, off-the-wall, out-of-the-box,
    je-ne-sais-quoi, Pisrigian-quality. You bet.

    OK, so I seem to have several of you lined up at the "Quality of
    Explanation" starting gate - now what next ? Back soon.

    Ian

    On 4/21/05, Sam Norton <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
    > Hi Ian,
    >
    > > FWIW, I think we have two main topics circulating ...
    >
    > OK
    >
    > > (1) Belief vs faith - what makes a good one. What makes what is
    > > believed "more true". My battleground here is "quality of
    > > explanation".
    >
    > Fine, but I want to explore what the criteria being employed are. I'm very
    > comfortable with explanation being the angle from which to explore the
    > question, though. Would you say you're broadly pragmatic on this front? If
    > so we'd probably get to a place of major agreement pretty quickly.
    >
    > > (2) When talking about scientific method (but not science) as part of
    > > "evidence" in MoQ circles, we keep confusing the concepts of
    > > "empiricism" and "pre-intellectual experience".
    >
    > Yeah, there's a whole nest of problems with that. I'd be happy to leave that
    > angle be for the time being.
    >
    > > PS, your obligatory Einstein quote ... note he is delineating
    > > "positive" knowledge from "fantasy" (inspiration / intuition / etc.),
    > > both are part of the knowledge of the physics, and its explanation of
    > > the world.
    >
    > Why 'obligatory'? But more importantly, can you spell out what you mean by
    > fantasy being part of the knowledge of physics? (Are you meaning the sort of
    > thing that RMP talks about in ZMM?)
    >
    > Cheers
    > Sam
    >
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