From: Mark Steven Heyman (MarkHeyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Fri Apr 22 2005 - 04:13:06 BST
On 21 Apr 2005 at 20:55, hampday@earthlink.net wrote:
The physical principle of causality states that every action has a cause.
Even the Big Bang had a prior cause. Hence, attributes of things, such as
Quality, Beauty and Value, cannot be primary causes any more than can the
things to which they refer.
msh asks:
Is your uncaused cause the "Essence" you refer to as anthropocentric?
If so, you have yet to explain how and why this anthropocentric
essence existed in the universe prior to the existence of human
beings. Isn't this really just a stealth theistic way of referring to
God? Given your own (incorrect) principle of causality, is it not
fair to ask what caused this anthropocentric essence? In other
words, in what way does your idea of an uncaused cause avoid the
multitude of unanswered refutations of the Ontological argument for
the existence of God?
ham:
The "interconnectedness of everything" is a pantheistic concept that won't
do for me because I see Essence as a unified Whole. All things taken
together, whether substantively or experientially, still have the
differentiated properties of a "thing". Essence is immutable: it is the
indispensable "uncreated" source of all things that transcends the
limitations of finitude.
msh:
How does your last sentence, above, differ from this: God is
immutable: he is the indispensable "uncreated" source of all things
that transcends the limitations of finitude. And what is your reason
for believing such a statement? As there is no evidentiary or
logical basis for such a belief, I can conclude only that you believe
this as a matter of faith.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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