From: Scott Roberts (jse885@localnet.com)
Date: Mon Apr 25 2005 - 18:42:13 BST
Ant,
Ant said:
As Barfield argues, it is clear (from an MOQ or Barfield's 'final
participation' viewpoint) that the communion bread is already a
manifestation of Quality (i.e. a static pattern of biological quality), the
essential message of Jesus being concerned with pushing people towards a
creative awareness of this understanding away from both the Ancient
unconscious (though essentially correct) understanding of Quality as
saturating the 'objective world' (i.e. paganism/'original participation')
and the Enlightenment-type denial of Quality being manifest in the
'objective world' (i.e. SOM).
Scott:
Good to see you reading Barfield :-) One correction, though. You say "the
Ancient unconscious (though essentially correct) understanding of Quality as
saturating the 'objective world' (i.e. paganism/'original participation')".
Barfield's point is that this was conscious in original participation, not
an "unconsciousness understanding". The rise of thinking -- understanding --
is what made it unconscious. That consciousness was not entirely eliminated
until the modern era, which is what created the objective world as such,
and, as you say, led to the dominance of SOM.
I will also note that for Barfield (and me) it is more important to think of
participation as a manifestation of Intellect (Logos) in the object than
Quality. It is also Quality, to be sure, but ignoring that it is Intellect
is the basis of my objections to the MOQ.
- Scott
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