From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Thu May 05 2005 - 14:13:16 BST
Hi Ian,
Oops.... you know me, just being cranky, trying to keep the
conversation lively...
And I'm usually the one telling people to lighten' up.... don't I
look silly!
Til later,
Mark
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
-- InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since 1983 Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com "My love life is terrible. The last time I was inside a woman was when I visited the Statue of Liberty." - Woody Allen On 5 May 2005 at 15:25, ian glendinning wrote: Ha, Mark, And in "spell-checking and corecting" the quote you extracted, you miss the point. I really did mean to mis-spell enemy as enema. (The other main thread - humour - chill, lets at least have a laugh whilst we're about it, and not forget that many a true word is spoken ... or we'll all end up in the asylum.) Hee Hee Ian On 5/5/05, ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > First a major caveat, > My blog style is "unfettered" by any rules or convention (other than > my own). I am happy not to make coherent sense, provided I have > logged something I can come back to later myself. One reason I post > thoughts there, has always been I know I could not explain them here > - easily. One aspect of that - not just incoherent-sense, but jargon > too - just suit my mood as I brain dump the thoughts - so I'm not > worried about those aspects of your "criticism" - honestly.The only > rule on my blog is that I thought it significant, and I thought I > knew what I mean at the time. Some slightly more coherent points > appear also in the Enlightened Caveman thread referred to an linked > earlier. > > That said - I'm glad Ant pointed MoQ-Discuss at a post I wouldn't > have made to this forum directly. Because I do sincerely mean what > the central point says I believe - and any help to (a) articulate > it, or (b) deny it, is genuinely welcome. > > And if anybody "offended" by it wants to respond - please start > knowing I knew it would be "offensive", ans say as much a couple of > times in the post, but that was simply secondary to my more > important aim. Offence acknowledged, but not aimed deliberately at > anybody. Breaking eggs, is the expression. > > The main point lest it was missed - in plain words - is quite simply > ... > > I do not see (never did see) any point or obligation to argue > "against" theistic arguments. > > Sorry - not running scared - just focussing my attention where I > believe it will be most productive to a higher quality future for > the planet. > > Bye > Ian > > On 5/5/05, Mark Steven Heyman <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Ant quotes from Ian's blog: > > > > "Oh my god, this is truly awful. The logical positivist memeplex > > reinforces the religious memeplex. Science has unwittingly been > > it's own worst enemy." > > > > msh says: > > Although I know Ian prefers physics to religion for pure > > explanatory power, this quotation is to me a great example of how, > > by using exotic terminology, someone might, to an ear less > > skeptical than mine, come across as being profound when all they > > are being is at best provincial, at worst obscure. The quote > > seems to suggest that LP and religion are equally useful systems > > of investigation, that science has been caught in its own lie and > > is hoist by its own petard. This obvious falsehood is given an > > aura of truth by the use of the sophisticated sounding "memeplex." > > Must I really run to Dawkins in order to understand a sentence > > that, with slightly more effort, could have been written using > > plain ol' English? > > > > Apropos to this thread, there is a huge difference between the > > epistemological foundations of science and religion, and to > > suggest otherwise is, as I like to say, pure confusion. > > > > Just my fiftieth of a dollar, and I don't expect any money back. > > > > Mark Steven Heyman (msh) > > -- > > InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors > > Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since > > 1983 Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com > > > > "Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder > > 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to > > tell himself he understand." - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org > > Mail Archives: > > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ > > Nov '02 Onward - > > http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD > > Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net > > > > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: > > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html > > > > > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archives: Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
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