From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Tue May 24 2005 - 17:58:06 BST
The "quotes" were not attributed to anyone, but were clearly marked
as examples of a very common type of exchange, as any careful reader
will see for himself.
TFP's response is an irrelevant diversion to the issue at hand,
another variation of the Platteral Shift. Plenty of real quotes have
been presented, clearly establishing unsupported slander of Chomsky,
Moyers, Zinn, and Amnesty International.
Until those statements are retracted or defended with evidence and
argument, there will be no escape from the Carousel of Faux
Philosophy.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
-- InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since 1983 Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com On 24 May 2005 at 10:35, Platt Holden wrote: MSH writes: Another variation of the Shift is to repeatedly ridicule the ideas of another and then, when asked for evidence, say "This is a forum dedicated to the work of Robert Pirsig. What does this have to do with Pirsig?" For example: "Howard Zinn is a Marxist and I don't believe anything he says." "What evidence do you have that Zinn is a Marxist?" "This forum is about Robert Pirsig, not Howard Zinn." OR "I don't believe any reports issued by anti-American organizations like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch." "What makes you think they are anti-American? "What does this have to do with the Metaphysics of Quality?" TFP asked:. Speaking of evidence, please specify the source, including the context, for these exact quotes. Not that I deny them. msh May 23, 2005: The quotes above were from memory, but they do not differ much from TFP's actual words, referenced below: TFP: Just as I suspected. The quotes MSH quoted were not quotes at all. There's an intellectual level standard that statements surrounded by quotation marks mean that the person referenced said or wrote the exact words that were inside the marks. When an author violates this standard, his credibility rightly suffers. So now, having seen MSH's "evidence," I deny those quotes, although the words he believed he was at liberty to put in my mouth are reasonable facsimiles of my views. But I do not deny or retract one word that I wrote about about the leftist Bill Moyers and the anarchist Noam Chomsky. You can quote me on that. :-) MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archives: Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
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