From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jun 05 2005 - 15:21:53 BST
Dear Wim,
Platt (previously)
> > Agree. Our difference is a matter of emphasis. I see a threat to social
> > stability that you minimize.
Wim:
> Well, that seems to me the essential difference between conservative and
> progressive people. Like sq and DQ both are needed in a society.
Are you saying that leftists (progressives) are more responsive to DQ than
conservatives? If so, this appears to be more of the "pin a rose on me"
syndrome that supports the charge of elitist arrogance. Actually, as I've
pointed out, today's progressives look a lot like a bunch of new
Victorians, trying to preserve static government welfare programs.
> > It's human nature to prefer one's own tribe to outsiders. I doubt if
> > millions of years of evolution can be overcome by "education."
> There are a lot negative tendencies in human nature that civilization (3rd
> level patterns of value) and education (4th level patterns of value in the
> sense in which I used it) HAVE overcome (or at least caged).
No doubt. But the history of the 20th century and the beginning of the
21st suggests there is still much human nature to "cage."
> > An arrogant attitude of "we elites know best." It was resentment of such
> > an attitude that spelled trouble for the left in our last presidential
> > election. This attitude contradicts the moral ideal of "equality" that
> > leftist pay constant lip service to -- a contradiction that is not
> > overlooked by the rubes out there in the "towns," or in the U.S, the "red
> > states."
> People are born with unequal capacities. After having been brought up in
> different social backgrounds their capacities for maintaining and renewing
> 3rd and 4th level patterns of value have become even more unequal.
> Education tends to organize stimulation of those with more capacities to
> develop them even more and discouragement of those with less capacities to
> take extra education to compensate for their natural & nurtured lack of
> capacities.
To put what you say in my words, "We're not educating everybody equally as
we ought to."
> Rightist people sometimes tend to deny these facts. Sometimes
> they recognize, but accept them, because -according to them- it produces
> the best 3rd and 4th level patterns of value if natural & nurtured
> capacities are developed to their maximum in this way. Leftist people state
> (and sometimes exaggerate) these facts, do not accept them and strive to
> decrease (not necessarily eliminate) the differences.
Again, in my own words, we ought to adopt the liberal education model,
whatever that is.
> Not stating that one
> has more capacities than someone else in itself is arrogant or elitist.
> Refusing to prove it and not giving others the chance to undo the
> difference is.
So today's educational system doesn't give everyone an equal chance.
Right? If so, the solution is .... ??
And ... capacities based on nature, nurture and free
> education do not entitle one to a higher standard of living. Only efforts
> for common interests does. That's what breeds resentment: unfounded claims
> to power and wealth and unwillingness to share it with others who
> contribute at least as much to common interests.
So a business woman making a profit by supplying a service that others
willing pay for in a free market is not serving the "common interest?"
Best,
Platt
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