From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun Jun 12 2005 - 22:24:38 BST
On Saturday 11 June 2005 8:18 PM * writes:
<snip>
Anyway, anyway - (aside aside) - what I really want to know is this (and
it is important - if only to me) does anyone out there really experience
the substance emanating from reality/external objects - waves of
perception that Pirsig talks about throughout his book. Or as I suspect
none of you have actually found the harmonisation of the disperate
sections of the brain that /quality/ actually represents. You are all
still looking within the subset of experience that logic represents and
existing entirely at its bounds when you should be seeing that logical
structure (which is entirley huge) as a subsidery to your own experience
and not the entire whole.
Hi *,
IMO Pirsig's primary observation is of evolution into three hierarchical,
incommensurate levels. As i get older and older i smell death, and i will
have run the course, logic rules!
On 31 May 2005 18:50:38 BST Allen writes to Scott:
<snip>
Intellect sq is evolving I think day to day.
Any intellectual progress like maybe a scientist making a new theory up is
intellectual evolution happening right under our noses..........
[Joe] If the way up is the way down, i do not see the logical structure of
evolution as the entire whole of my experience. Logic and work.
Joe
> OK - intellectual discussions aside - and believe, you lot seem obsessed
> with them to the point of the actual meaning of your word almost entirely
> being obliterated by the own personal understanding of such words (and no
> I am not an f-ing retard) - point is doesn't every person understand words
> in respect to their own experience and as such - and said meanings of such
> are completely dependant upon ones own experience? Is that not central to
> what Pirsig is on about - quality is entirely related to the OWN
> experience even when it comes down to morals? It seems to me that most of
> the discussions on this mailing list are based entirley on people who want
> to ratify there own experience and therefore feel more normal/accepted and
> comfortable with said experience. Has anyone got the courage to stand
> alone and just "BE"? Or (?) are you all just similar (normal (within
> intellectual scope)) paradigm/advantage seeking machines?
>
> Anyway, anyway - (aside aside) - what I really want to know is this (and
> it is important - if only to me) does anyone out there really experience
> the substance emanating from reality/external objects - waves of
> perception that Pirsig talks about throughout his book. Or as I suspect
> none of you have actually found the harmonisation of the disperate
> sections of the brain that /quality/ actually represents. You are all
> still looking within the subset of experience that logic represents and
> existing entirely at its bounds when you should be seeing that logical
> structure (which is entirley huge) as a subsidery to your own experience
> and not the entire whole.
>
> /apology./
> Of course words are words and not experience - it's all we have between
> us, between our (quite poss.) totally different realities. So if any of
> the above is offensive to your perceptions/intellect. then accept my
> apology. No offence intended.
> Still, respond - /Please.
> /(be waiting)* Yours - MF.
>
> *
>
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