From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Jun 15 2005 - 14:00:48 BST
Hi Allen
On 14 June Allen Barrows wrote:
> Bo: I have done nothing else but whatever twist one makes tries, it
> always comes out as saying that mind comes first, i.e: the idealist
> part of the S/O aggregate.
> Hello Bo again, This is quite a disorganised jumble.
Yours or mine? ;-)
Seriously Allen, some of us have been at this discussion for ages
and been through every possible and impossible angle to the
MOQ, then to start again with newcomers from rock bottom is too
much. I'm sorry if this sounds off-putting, but I feel that you are a
bit in league with one Squonkstail whose holy grail was intellect
and his mission to defend it against my effort to take it down to its
proper place. The MOQ mends things by by wrestling the
metaphysical "M" from SOM leaving its S/O the intellectual value
level of its own system
The resistanse to the SOL is SOM's firm grip and this rests with
with the inner dialogue we all keep going with ourselves or with
imaginary opponents. This makes us believe that there is an
inner forum where all this takes place. In SOM this forum is
called MIND and the dialogue is called THOUGHTS . If one
transfers this directly to the MOQ the said forum becomes
INTELLECT and the dialogue becomes intellectual PATTERNS.
But it can't be transferred directly: Intellect is not any subjective
inner arena, SOM's inner/outer AS A METAPHYSICS is rejected!
In the ancient pre-intellectual - social level - era the inner voices
were perceived as gods, their forebears or demons talking to
them, without the ancients seeing it as taking place in their
minds, THERE WAS NO MIND/MATTER BEFORE INTELLECT.
(not shouting, just trying to imitate "italics")
At the biological level there is no language and no dialogue, but
surely a capacity (among the mammal species at least) for
imagingination, a dog twitching in sleep has a dream experience
of chasing a cat ;-) Finally. As said intellect's S/O is the higest
value and there is no need to (not possible either) drop its
vocaulary of "in my mind" and "thinking" or anything, if only the
MOQ context is - um - kept in mind.
Yours most friendly, but admonishing
Bo
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