From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sat Jun 25 2005 - 07:16:22 BST
On 21 Jun 2005 at 14:38, Matt Kundert wrote:
> Please, please---do not call me a "heavy-weight." I get enough flak
> for what I say, I don't need any more by being called "_this_ forum's
> heavy-weight." There are enough heavy-weights around here, all
> standing in different positions, to not try and rank them. The weight
> or weightlessness of any particular person is easily felt by every
> person, judging for themselves, by the very act of participation in
> the MD. We don't need a chart.
Hi Matt.
OK no more "weighing".
> But, I will say this, Bo: what I've realized in this last conversation
> with you (which, pace you apparently, I'm not done with yet) is that I
> always did, basically, understand what the SOL-MoQ was. It is,
> apparently, what I first thought it was when I first read it
> presented. As Platt just said, it isn't that complicated. What makes
> it complex is your very obscure way of presenting it and trying to
> differentiate it from other dominant interpretations, Pirsig's or
> whomever's. (The thing with Paul is just bizarre on your part.) My
> opinion right now is that the SOL interpretation of the MoQ is not
> very different from the other ones, which makes the bombastic way you
> present it seem a little much.
Paul for one sees a fundamental difference between the SOL
interpretation and the standard one (I am tempted to call them
strong and weak with reference to Quantum Physics) re. intellect
where the the latter sees the S/O as just one pattern. What Pirsig
says is a bit unclear. In almost all of LILA he treats it as SOL, but
when he turns to something called "intellect" it turns into
INTELLIGENCE (which IS behind intellect in the way told earlier
about the evolution of an idea of a mind).
> I'm still not particularly sure about
> the differences, but I think most of it has to do with certain
> particular claims you make in presentation (like it being the "true
> MoQ," which, I imagine, is part of the chaff thrown out after my
> factory gets done), rather than the core message of it (except,
> possibly, on one point).
The true MOQ pertains to ZMM that explicitly says and draws
diagrams of intellect as the S/O divide, all in all the SOL is over-
documented unto exhaustion. Yet, this discussion clings to an
intellect that has spawned the MOQ because of its
INTELLECTUAL virtues. Bah! the MOQ has fought its way out of
the SOM-intellect, because it goes against it fundamentally.
All this about subject/object only one intellectual pattern is
intellects very tentacles refusing to let go, striving to stay the
spiritual realm where SOM, the MOQ and everything else said
about the world resides. I was greatly believed that you saw this
and now you can't really go back even if you want to.
Bo
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