From: Allen Barrows (allen_barrows@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jun 27 2005 - 11:59:47 BST
Allen,
Just some clarifications:
Allen said: Owen Barfield regards everything to be conscious.
I think that is a correct statement of his philosophical position.
Scott:
..it is correct as far as it goes... ...the Logos is conscious.
Allen, Hello Scott, I see, the logos is conscious. Thanks for putting me straight on that.
Scott:
I consider consciousness, intellect, and quality as different names we give to the interplay of the many and the one. That interplay I call contradictory identity.
Allen, I see. Thank you.
Scott:
Barfield calls it (after Coleridge) polarity.
Allen, I see. You are extending Barfiled. Well done Scott.
Allen said:
You equate intellect with the One or Quality.
Scott:
I call Intellect and Quality two names (there are others) for the same (non-) thing. It is not One, it is not Many, it is not both One and Many, it is not neither One nor Many. Intellect and Quality are not, in my thinking, equated. Just two ways we experience contradictory identity, one used in the context of thinking, reasoning, etc., the other in the context of valuing and feeling. But there is no value without intellect, and no intellect without value.
Allen - Does this mean the logos is contradictory identity?
Allen said:
So intellect is the driving force behind the evolution of many conscious states since Homer.
Scott:
It is the driving force for all evolution.
Allen - I am out of my depth now Scott, although i appreciate your taking the time to explain things to me. But this is most helpful.
Allow me to see if i get you aright. By putting together what you have explained to me up to now do we have this:
The interplay of the many and the One I call 'contradictory identity' is the driving force for all evolution (of logos?)
Allen said:
What you have here is a Metaphysics of Intellect unless i have severely misunderstood your position, in which case i apologise Scott.
Scott:
Better to call it a Metaphysics of Intellect/Quality/Consciousness. I don't elevate one of these over the others.
Allen - Than you Scott. A pleasure.
Allen
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